Trading my 2011 for 2014 ???

[KY Longhunter]

So my local dealer calls me and says they got a 2014 LC in on trade for 2016 model. The 2014 has 28,000 miles and is CPO vehicle.

He knew I'm a Land Cruiser nut and says "when should I bring it over?"

I'm looking for you all to stop me or push me to make the trade!

My current vehicle:

2011 Toyota Land Cruiser
83,000 miles
White/Tan
KDSS rusted shut
Needs new battery
will need Timing Belt at 100,000 miles

2014 Toyota Land Cruiser
28,000 miles
Silver/Black (not crazy about black)
CPO 7 years / 100,000 miles Powertrain Warranty
HID / LED DRLs
Cooled/heated seats

They are giving me $38,000 on trade-in and asking $62,900 for 2014

What do you guys think?

 

[KY Longhunter]

Can anyone of you run Carfax for me?

 

[KY Longhunter]

 

[Markuson]

That's about $25,000 you're paying to take 55k miles off your truck.

With that same $25k, you could build your current truck into a dream cruiser. Even fixing KDSS.

Put another way...
With the same $ you could add to your current truck:
-Suspension
-Front Bumper
-Rear Bumper
-Winch
-35's
-Sliders
-Skids
-Drawers
-Lockers
-4.88 Gears
-Dual Battery
-Fridge

And STILL have money left over to replace your KDSS!

I know what I'd do...

 

[mark71]

I would save the money for upgrades.

And the 200 does haven't a timing belt (another reason the difference in miles doesn't matter much).

 

[blatant]

does the 25k matter to you? Is that your garage?

 

[KY Longhunter]

Yes and Yes

 

[2016lc]

Yeah I don't see the point of that trade. I would hold off unless the numbers get better

 

[chilibit]

If it were me, and it is not, I would look at a 2016 if you could do it for an additional 10k or so. If you are an Overlander, then keep the 2011. If you are not then the rules are different. What we think is irrelevant.

 

[Willy beamin]

I'd keep the current roller, have fun decking it out. And Wait for the 300's

 

[Romer]

38,000 on the trade is good, I would get him down below 60K and go for it. I don't think you would be asking if you haven't already decided to do it

I paid $58K for 25K miles on my 2014 in Colorado. Talk to them on the phone and tell them thats what you want. That makes it easier for you from a negotiating standpoint. I tend to always negotiate on the phone contingent on my inspection. Once you are in their building, they know it is harder for you to walk away

 

[Romer]

When I was looking, the 2013-15 was the sweet sport for me. I liked the extra comfort features. I also wanted a USB memory stick input standard. Tired of being tied to apple

For the 2013 model year, Toyota added all previously optional safety and luxury options as standard. The Land Cruiser now gets pushbutton start, HID headlights with beam level adjustment, a power moonroof, automatic rain sensing windshield wipers, heated and ventilated (perforated leather) front and only heated rear seats, a rear-seat DVD entertainment system, bluetooth, rearview camera with parking sensors, navigation system, HD radio and Entune. Another new feature is the Multi-terrain Select system which helps control wheelspin and brake lockup giving the selectable choices of: Rock, Rock & Dirt, Mogul, Loose Rock, and Mud & Sand and with an addition to the Multi-terrain Select system a feature known as adaptive Anti-lock Braking system which adapts to the condition of the road like mud or sand and efficiently uses the ABS to reduce braking distance on any type of terrain.

 

[KY Longhunter]

I'm kind of surprised by all your answers. I would love to make it out West sometime, but the truth is that 98% of the time I will be driving to work and back, not scaling Lion's Back.

It seems the majority would spend $25,000 on modifications like lifts, tires, bumpers, sliders etc in a heartbeat.

I'm always amazed when I see somebody buy a brand new $85,000 truck and cut the front bumper off to put a $2000 bull bar on. And then another $7,000 on lift, wheels and tires. To me that doesn't make sense unless you just have that kind of money laying around (totally different story) or you make a living wheeling your rig.

The Jury is still out. Thanks for your replies.

 

[blatant]

Yes and Yes

Then think hard on the 25k, but nice garage btw, love the barn / cottage style doors, and the LC does look good in the pic!

If it were me, I'd probably cave. I almost know what my decision is going to be before the hours or days of research and abuse i put myself through, trying to debunk my already known call.

Also per romers quote below (the differences), as time goes on and these things become more affordable, you'll get two camps, those that love every bell and conceivable bobble, and those that want a low mile 08 or 09/ earliest they can find vs a 14(newest), even if the spend was the same, b/c the older they are, the less "tech" / to go wrong. Not sure i buy that any more, but it'll happen.

When I was looking, the 2013-15 was the sweet sport for me. I liked the extra comfort features. I also wanted a USB memory stick input standard. Tired of being tied to apple

For the 2013 model year, Toyota added all previously optional safety and luxury options as standard. The Land Cruiser now gets pushbutton start, HID headlights with beam level adjustment, a power moonroof, automatic rain sensing windshield wipers, heated and ventilated (perforated leather) front and only heated rear seats, a rear-seat DVD entertainment system, bluetooth, rearview camera with parking sensors, navigation system, HD radio and Entune. Another new feature is the Multi-terrain Select system which helps control wheelspin and brake lockup giving the selectable choices of: Rock, Rock & Dirt, Mogul, Loose Rock, and Mud & Sand and with an addition to the Multi-terrain Select system a feature known as adaptive Anti-lock Braking system which adapts to the condition of the road like mud or sand and efficiently uses the ABS to reduce braking distance on any type of terrain.

 

[KY Longhunter]

And the 200 does haven't a timing belt (another reason the difference in miles doesn't matter much).

I did not know that. Cool

 

[Markuson]

I'm kind of surprised by all your answers. I would love to make it out West sometime, but the truth is that 98% of the time I will be driving to work and back, not scaling Lion's Back.

It seems the majority would spend $25,000 on modifications like lifts, tires, bumpers, sliders etc in a heartbeat.

I'm always amazed when I see somebody buy a brand new $85,000 truck and cut the front bumper off to put a $2000 bull bar on. And then another $7,000 on lift, wheels and tires. To me that doesn't make sense unless you just have that kind of money laying around (totally different story) or you make a living wheeling your rig.

The Jury is still out. Thanks for your replies.

The only things people cut up are the weakest thing on the vehicle--plastic bumper covers that aren't any stronger than a Camry bumper...replacing them with stronger, safer material.

Money is money, though, and we all get to decide our priorities... You're considering buying miles with yours, while others would rather buy improvements to the vehicle. -Just a different place to use the $... Different people have different needs/uses. Nice thing is, the LC is great for both types of use & priority.

 

[Outdoorboy]

The only things people cut up are the weakest thing on the vehicle--plastic bumper covers that aren't any stronger than a Camry bumper...replacing them with stronger, safer material.

Money is money... You are considering buying miles with yours, while others would rather buy improvements to the vehicle. -Just a different place to use the $... I guess it just means we're after two different types of vehicles/uses, etc. Nice thing is, the LC is great for both uses.

Agree with this statement regrading buying miles vs improvements. I'd love to have a tricked out rig, but for me it doesn't make since. Mine 100 is my work car. I'm in sales and put 40k-50k miles a year on a car. Buying a newer vehicle doesn't make since for me. I try to find a low mileage, older model every year or two time. Don't get me wrong, I can spend hours reading a build thread and fantasize. But then I find out these guys only drive 5-15k miles a year and will have it for many years. The mods make since for their situation. For the trips out west, camping, hauling bikes and boats, and light off road the stock LC is the best choice for me. It all depends on how you want to use it. If this was me I'd make the deal. The miles are big for me. But I'd still get them to come down under 60K. Plus its end of the month and they will deal much better on price!

 

[bronc076]

$62,900 seems a bit high, I'd ask them to find a few grand for you and see what they say. Since you don't need a new one this is the prefect time to do some negotiating, what's the worst that will happen, you drive away in the same sweet LC you went there in? Are there other things you like better about the 2014 besides mileage? Is the newer entertainment system important to you, interior color, quality, etc? Do you keep a car looking like new forever, or could you use a refreshed interior? If yours does not get the love some of ours do, and this one looks new, then it might be a good time to trade while yours still has that much value. But if yours still looks new inside, then why trade unless you really want it.

I look at these every day, really the deciding factor on price is the way it looks, and all we know are miles and years. I passed on a 2011 with 38K that looked like a new car. I want one a bit more used so I don't feel bad when I scratch it. Underneath all the shiny paint and leather is the bit I'm interested in, and it's silly for me to buy one I can't put my dog in and go camping.

Have fun and in the end, do what makes you happy, it's only money and life is short!

 

[Markuson]

Agree with this statement regrading buying miles vs improvements. I'd love to have a tricked out rig, but for me it doesn't make since. Mine 100 is my work car. I'm in sales and put 40k-50k miles a year on a car. Buying a newer vehicle doesn't make since for me. I try to find a low mileage, older model every year or two time. Don't get me wrong, I can spend hours reading a build thread and fantasize. But then I find out these guys only drive 5-15k miles a year and will have it for many years. The mods make since for their situation. For the trips out west, camping, hauling bikes and boats, and light off road the stock LC is the best choice for me. It all depends on how you want to use it. If this was me I'd make the deal. The miles are big for me. But I'd still get them to come down under 60K. Plus its end of the month and they will deal much better on price!

Wow. If I drove 50k a year, I'd probably consider a vehicle that gets better fuel economy!
On the other hand...there's nothing quite like a LC, even on-road.

 

[Romer]

Wow. If I drove 50k a year, I'd probably consider a vehicle that gets better fuel economy!
On the other hand...there's nothing quite like a LC, even on-road.

When I was driving more and didnt want to drive my built cruiser into the ground, I bought a used BMW. Big discount for just a couple of years old and some with a CPO. Had a Z4 and when the weather was bad, drove the cruiser.

Now I am not driving as much so sold the BMW and built a a 1977 Land Cruiser FJ40 (Fuel Injected V8). I put about 5K on that and keep the bigger cruiser to around 10K a year. For convertibles in the summer, the Z4 was fun, but no where near as good as the Fj40.

If I drove a lot, it would be with a reliable and in-expensive commuter car. One that I wouldnt care about wearing out. I almost had to go work in Colorado Springs, would have been a 50 mile one way commute every day. That would have required a commuter vehicle. Except of course during bad weather