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This might belong on the 3FE board, but its a pretty knowledgeable bunch here.

I made a dreaded trip to the Toyota dealer today for a part I needed quickly. Asking for parts for an 88 Landcruiser created a stir behind the counter and one elderly guy said I had a Chevy straight six in the cruiser. He said when Chevy was finishing up their use of the engine, Toyota either got the design or copied it. He said originally the oil feeds to the rocker arms were in the head and they used to get blocked and create problems.
I looked for those feeds when I cleaned out my valve assembly because I remembered someone warning not to plug them in a previous post. When I did`nt find them I went to the service manual and found the 3FE fed oil from the rod that holds the rockers. He must have been talking about the early motors, maybe the 2f. With all the talk about this being a tractor motor, is it really a Chevy?

Toyota and Chevy do have a relationship, I think some of the Chevy compacts were actually Toyotas.

Any ideas on this?
 
Actually he is talking more of the early F probably. Whether or not its a copy I dont know, the whole thing is metric so I couldnt imagine Toyota copying the 235 then turning around and making it all metric but who knows? I guess they could have just copies certain design features and then built their own.

I think the only compacts that Chevy has that are Toyotas are the GEO metro.. I think they are Toyota Tercels. But that wasnt really a relationship, Toyota sold them to GM. Not like GM/Isuzu, Chyrsler/Mitsubishi, Ford/Mazda.
 
I thought the rumor that LCs had Chevy motors had been laid to rest years ago. Certainly the F motor has similarities to the old style Chevy "cast iron wonder" motor of the 1950's.

My take on it is that the F is an improved metric copy of the chevy, and similar in many ways. Note the tranny mount patterns on the bell housings, and the transmission output shafts which are the same as Chevy stuff of the 50s and 60s.

The 2F is an improved F, and the 3FE is an improved 2F. None of them are Chevy motors. In fact in the 60s Chevy went to a 7 main bearing straight 6, which is probably a better motor than any of the F series motors. That would make a cool swap into a Land Cruiser!

I have read that there are now more FJ40's powered by Chevy 350s than 2Fs.
 
The 1FZ is a totally new engine family. It has 7 main bearings, and is different in every way. THe 3FE was the last of the old time Cruiser motors and a direct descendent of the F motor.
 
Man, Toyota will hire anyone to sell parts! I quit dealing with my local dealership. Stupid morons. I ordrer from John Hocker now.

Toyota bought the design from GM. I have a 235 (4 of them) and the earlier version, pre 1954, looks a lot like the F and 2F and 3F - shaft mounted rockers, timing gears and covers, cams, dizzys and manifolds (not so much for the 3F-E :) ) look similar. And the Geo Prizim is a Toyota corolla or tercell?. The metro was a Suzuki.
 
yup pretty much, kinda sorta, a toyota modified stove bolt 6.....for the most part. last of this faimily was the 92 fj80
 
Cruiserdrew said:
The 1FZ is a totally new engine family. It has 7 main bearings, and is different in every way. THe 3FE was the last of the old time Cruiser motors and a direct descendent of the F motor.
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thx drew 7 main bearings! :doh: 1fz may not be a direct descendant of the ol f .....but through the marvels of automotive eng. she has evolved from the big sixes ... :eek:
 
Since we're on the topic.... We've all read how cheap it is to do a SBC v8 conversion... how cheap and available the parts are. What about a 235? Say, with multiport fuel injection, and an intercooled turbo? That could be a sweet setup coupled to an H55. Would it have similar low rpm torque since its a straight six? What would it cost? What's a good donor vehicle? Are they still making a version of the 235? So many questions. Funny thing is, I have absolutely no interest in a V8.
 
stinkyfj60 said:
I think the only compacts that Chevy has that are Toyotas are the GEO metro.. I think they are Toyota Tercels. But that wasnt really a relationship, Toyota sold them to GM. Not like GM/Isuzu, Chyrsler/Mitsubishi, Ford/Mazda.
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GM rebaged the Corolla and sold it as a Nova for a few years. The Metro is a Suzuki NOT a Toyota.

I've heard that Toyota has also rebaged the Cavalier in Japan and sold it as a Toyota though I can't for the life of me imagine why?!?
 
tonkota said:
Man, Toyota will hire anyone to sell parts!
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Really?

Please do not associate the manufacturer with the choices any given dealer may make about parts department staffing.

I Know John, he is a fellow parts manager and a damn nice fellow. Please do not paint all of us with the same brush.



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I'm with Dan, however, my local guys are just about clueless. There is one older fellow who seems pretty good, but most of the counter guys just don't have it. I frequently have to come behind the counter and point to what I want on the computer. I suppose if I had a Scion and wanted a tire/wheel package, I'd be fine. Otherwise it's worth waiting a day or two for stuff to arrive from American Toyota. Thanks, Dan, I got the motor mount today.
 
cruiser_guy said:
GM rebaged the Corolla and sold it as a Nova for a few years. The Metro is a Suzuki NOT a Toyota.
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They sold it as a Prism as well-an excellent car at a good price, R.I.P. The Suzukis they sold as Metros must have been good as I still see them tooling around town and one of the LVNs at the hospital still drives one. It looks like half of the car is missing.
 
The Burt (Denver) badge is still on the back of my '84 & their parts guys are great! Bob made me crawl under my rig yesterday to verify which TRE I needed (bought 3 of 4 a year ago & was going by the old invoice from Import Parts Warehouse which still doesn't have the 4th). Doesn't hurt that they deliver to my shop twice daily & I get the dealer "courtesy" discount.

60Wag - why not a TrailBlazer I6 since you're not interested in a V8?
 
In OZ we had the Holden Nova (Holden = GM). There has been a few Toyotas with Holden badges on and a couple of Holdens with Toyota badges (strangely enough)!!
Nissan slept with Ford too (Ford Maverick was a Nissan Patrol). Then there's the Ford Laser (Mazda 323). Are the Nissan Patrols popular in the US?
 
Cruiserdrew said:
I'm with Dan, however, my local guys are just about clueless. There is one older fellow who seems pretty good, but most of the counter guys just don't have it. I frequently have to come behind the counter and point to what I want on the computer. I suppose if I had a Scion and wanted a tire/wheel package, I'd be fine. Otherwise it's worth waiting a day or two for stuff to arrive from American Toyota. Thanks, Dan, I got the motor mount today.
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Jimmy, the guy I deal with most of the time at Rodland Toyota (Everett, WA) is a great Toyota parts guy. I'd actually put him up there in the same league as CruiserDan. Most of the guys there are actually pretty good. Haven't had a problem with 'em yet in the 7 years I've been going there.

Appleway Toyota in Spokane also has a younger guy working in the parts dept. that's good at sourcing Cruiser parts and knows his s*** really well. Looks to be just a couple years younger than me, but he definately knows his Cruisers.
 
A really good parts person will have a passion for automobiles and will treat the job like a game of conquest. Many fear the old catalogs, especially the old Cruiser books because they are more like a puzzle than a map. Without the desire to conquer the catalog and to learn how to understand what it is telling you, you do not have an ice cube's chance in hell of finding out what you need. Many will give up and say "sorry, discontinued" so they don't have to be embarrased 'cuz they can't find it.
 
My local T. dealer has a lousy parts dept. mainly because they keep changing which guys work the parts counter. The dealers where the parts guys(or girls?) stay consistantly at the parts counter seem to generally be better.
On the Toy/GM link, they've been producing cars together at the Fremont, CA "NUMMI" plant for about 20 years. The latest rebadge is the Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe.
 
Tinker said:
Chevy I6 bolts right up.
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To what? Tranny? Motor mounts? What years and models?

I have heard this over and over again, but NEVER heard of ayone doing it.

I did see a GM 292 I6 at Mudrak's that is being prepped to go in a cruiser - dunno the model or year, and I don't knoe that it "bolts right up..."

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