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ARCHIVE Titan TW12 - 12,000 lbs winch w/ synthetic line (Group Buy) (4 Viewers)
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More 24V interest
As with '77, I too am interested in a 24V version - even though this belated post may be too late for the group buy. Just emailed Duncan a similar inquiry.
As with '77, I too am interested in a 24V version - even though this belated post may be too late for the group buy. Just emailed Duncan a similar inquiry.
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Here is the response I received from Duncan:
Hi
We do not have any 24v winches at this time. We actually did not expect to
have a Group buy from you Site and had we some idea this would happen I
would have made sure we had a few 24v in Stock. If there are a few people
interested in 24v versions I can get the parts in to make some if this is a
option for you and you are willing to wait for a couple of months.
Cheers
Duncan
As for me, I certainly can wait - don't get to use a BJ40 during our winter!
Hi
We do not have any 24v winches at this time. We actually did not expect to
have a Group buy from you Site and had we some idea this would happen I
would have made sure we had a few 24v in Stock. If there are a few people
interested in 24v versions I can get the parts in to make some if this is a
option for you and you are willing to wait for a couple of months.
Cheers
Duncan
As for me, I certainly can wait - don't get to use a BJ40 during our winter!
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I'm sure if there is enough demand for this, Duncan can whip something up! Maybe post a thread on getting a group wanting 24V winches together?
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Update: For those of you wondering if it will fit your bumper. Here is the TW12 mounted on the winch plate of a TJM T-15. This is considered one of the smaller bumpers as it pertains to stuffing winches in them. The TW12 fits with absolutely no issues. I'll post more pics of the install so that people interested in the Titan, can better formulate an opinion on the matter.
do you not plan to support it up front somehow? Doing so may well be a very good idea. As discussed elsewhere, potent winches may need to be mounted feet forward or have some front support.
Received my TW12
initial impression - despite the long boat ride from overseas to Titan, then a long truck ride to SoCal, the package arrived in great condition. Be careful when opening the top of the box with a blade, your enthusiasm may drive the blade through the cover of the winch, first one on top as you open the package. Unit looks like its ready to operate right out of the box, label / signs / visual warnings are well placed - easily seen. Not to thrilled about the corded remote, the button located at the top does not feel natural when you try to operate it. Probably what you get when you don't have fighter pilots or xbox gamer have a say in the design. Also the wireless remote comes with a battery that's half the size of a AAA
Just another reason for me to stock a few of these bats 
. Aside from these two maybe future improvements, I give the TW12, four 
out of five, for the price, arriving in great condition, and quality/look and feel of the major component - the winch.
Stay tuned for the further review as I move into testing the TW12.
initial impression - despite the long boat ride from overseas to Titan, then a long truck ride to SoCal, the package arrived in great condition. Be careful when opening the top of the box with a blade, your enthusiasm may drive the blade through the cover of the winch, first one on top as you open the package. Unit looks like its ready to operate right out of the box, label / signs / visual warnings are well placed - easily seen. Not to thrilled about the corded remote, the button located at the top does not feel natural when you try to operate it. Probably what you get when you don't have fighter pilots or xbox gamer have a say in the design. Also the wireless remote comes with a battery that's half the size of a AAA Just another reason for me to stock a few of these bats . Aside from these two maybe future improvements, I give the TW12, four out of five, for the price, arriving in great condition, and quality/look and feel of the major component - the winch.Stay tuned for the further review as I move into testing the TW12.
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I thought about it but my TJM winch plate is ridiculously thick and not really part of the bumper. In fact it is so thick, that I had to go buy new hardware to mount it. I upgraded from 8.8 to 11 grade mounting hardware. How would you suggest someone with a TJM, further reinforce the mounts of the TW12?
Received my TW12
Stay tuned for the further review as I move into testing the TW12.
Glad you are pleased overall! I agree re: the corded remote. It looks like a Batman comic book artist got a side job designing winch remotes! I wouldn't discount that battery till you have an accurate idea of it's true lifespan. I think those last longer than AA/AAA.
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I don't think you can do anything about the existing bolt receptacles themselves. The issue is not the bolts or the mounting plate, it's the body of the winch that the bolts fit into that could (perhaps) be torn apart if not strong enough, when mounted feet down. Is it aluminum? If so, think about it. Would you repeatedly hang 12,000 lbs from 4 bolts in shear in a fairly thin soft aluminum part?
Personally I would not run it like that if aluminum, I'd hate to see my shiny new winch fly off the bumper in pieces. Of course, this is all conjecture, I have no real evidence that this will likely happen with your specific winch, so take that for what it is. (Do note, though, that I did confirm that this is an issue in general with Warn Techs.) Maybe ask the Seller and see if he will give you a definitive answer.
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e9999 said:
This begs the question, why would TJM make a winch plate that is clearly designed for the winch to be mounted feet down and rates it as OK for a 12000 lb winch? They know the construction of most winches and they also know that the winch plate isn't for show. OZ clearly is tough on its Land Cruisers and recovery gear so I would imagine that even if there was a 10% winch shear rate, they would pull the product and come out with a feet forward bumper.
Titan also knows the TW12 is designed by default to go feet down. If they wanted everyone to go feet forward , I would imagine it would come clocked that way and the buyer would have to re-clock it to make it feet down. Duncan has told me many stories of his customers being very hard on the TW12 for extended periods of time with no issues. If there was a concern, I am sure he would have mentioned. He is very detail oriented.
Not saying you are wrong, just looking at the evidence presented and drawing conclusions.
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e9999 said:Have at it, enjoy the new toy
Btw, you have way more experience than me in this field so if you think extra measures are necessary for a feet down install, let me know what I should do. Thanks for the feedback thus far.
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not much trail winch experience here actually. Only used my winch once ever and it was an easy pull. Either I'm too chicken to go to the hard places or I'm too good a driver... I know which one I think is right...
Since anything I write here is worth what you've paid to read it
, I'll tell you what I think you should do: have the Seller tell you whether he guarantees the feet if the winch is mounted feet down, and whether he will replace the winch body if they tear off. If he says yes, then you're good whether the winch holds or not. (Well, assuming the winch doesn't take the front part of the bumper with it if it goes or the truck doesn't go back down the mountain backwards... )Or, use it like I use mine...
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I used to have my 12K winch hooked down in my bumper with certanly good abuse through the years down here and no issues .. ( not saying that will be the same with your bumper and winch ).
Ahh the quest for going lighter. The TW12 frame is aluminum and don't think the warranty will cover its frame. I will double check with Titan. Good info e9ers, I would think twice before I go volunteer to pull someone bigger than my 80.
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Here are some very good observations from Duncan:
The overwhelming majority of winches are in fact designed for feet down applications. If this where not the case then the clutch engagement handle would obviously be in a different position,... Or what about integrated winches?? There are many models on the market today that have the built-in control boxes over the drum . How would you be able to mount these feet first? You can not. Winches are actually (or at least they should be) tested without the tie bars in place and just the 4 bolts securing the winch. The issue I would see possibly happening with either aluminum or steel is flex in the winch plate being a possible issue. But then again we are not looking at a manufacturer making a Suzuki bumper here but rather a full-size SUV. Having bolts tear out through the bolt holes on winch plates is a lot easier said than done . It just does not happen. The very nature of the foot bottom of the winch applies pressure to the plate that is greater than the surface being pulled against so short of the Bolt heads being able to some how drill through the plate it will not pull up and tear the plate.
The overwhelming majority of winches are in fact designed for feet down applications. If this where not the case then the clutch engagement handle would obviously be in a different position,... Or what about integrated winches?? There are many models on the market today that have the built-in control boxes over the drum . How would you be able to mount these feet first? You can not. Winches are actually (or at least they should be) tested without the tie bars in place and just the 4 bolts securing the winch. The issue I would see possibly happening with either aluminum or steel is flex in the winch plate being a possible issue. But then again we are not looking at a manufacturer making a Suzuki bumper here but rather a full-size SUV. Having bolts tear out through the bolt holes on winch plates is a lot easier said than done . It just does not happen. The very nature of the foot bottom of the winch applies pressure to the plate that is greater than the surface being pulled against so short of the Bolt heads being able to some how drill through the plate it will not pull up and tear the plate.
I don't want to keep hammering at this and will (try to) stop now, but, sorry, the latter part of the blurb above misses my point and doesn't address the issue I brought up. I never said anything about the bolts going though a solid mounting plate. That is indeed very unlikely. What I was discussing is the aluminum winch "feet" getting eventually "torn off" from the steel bolts.
But if it is indeed true that some 12K winches out there are tested feet down and are fine with repeated 12K pulls, then things are OK.
(Then again, one wonders then why Warn would say that their 12K winches have to be mounted feet forward? Are they worse quality or design than other winches or just have more skittish lawyers or...?)
I'm sure it's entirely possible to design feet that can handle 12K. I'm also sure that feet forward makes more sense in general from a design point of view.
So, will your brand warranty the "feet" if mounted feet down? If so, all is good, give it a go.
I have no bone in any of this, just dropping a word of caution in case it helps, that's all.
Don't worry. The mounting plates on all Chinese winches (including the Titan) appear to be generic and interchangeable on winches from 8K to 12K and replacements are cheap. I haven't broken my generic 12K yet, but I haven't done any double line pulls yet either. It takes a licking and keeps on ticking.
glad to hear that.
(btw, if you do a double line pull at the max cap (12K) of the winch and you don't tie the hook back to the winch itself -which would be silly-, the winch mounting bolts will still only feel 12K, so double pulling in principle isn't harder on the winch bolts or winch feet. Of course, OTOH, if the winch is mounted on the bumper itself and you tie the hook back to the bumper, now the bumper bolts are feeling 24K.)
