tips for buying a new or remanufactored 22r?????

[jkl72-40]

Hi Iam in the process of looking for a new motor for my 82 toyota. is there a difference between new and remanufactored? what to look for in terms of a warranty? is it better to have a motor thats like 60 thousands over or the 20r head on the 22r motor? I would like a bit more power but still want the reliability and low rpm power for wheeling.
Thanks!!

 

[muddpigg]

I've always liked the 20/22r hybrid. This is definitely time for a bit of research. As you know most engine mods are for the road trip getting to and from trails and the round about driving. Gears (dif and t-case) are for trail performance. If it was me I'd look to have it rebuilt by a reputable shop that knows these engines. I'd look at the 20/22r hybrid with a RV cam, OS valves, mild port and polish. Add a header (I like tri-y) and offfenhuase intake with weber carb. 2.25 pipe out.

Shoot an email or call Ted at http://www.engnbldr.com/ That man has forgotten more about these engines than most will ever know.

http://www.northbaymotorsports.com/toyota20rengine.htm (i don't know of this company but info cuaght my eye)
http://doaracingengines.com/4-cylinder-engine/4-cylinder-performance-engines/
http://www.sunwestautomotiveengines.com/lb-toyota.html (This is who I bought my 22RE through)
http://www.lcengineering.com/

I was looking for a site that was dedicate to these engines that was from a race team that built one on the fly for a race. Was a good read but 10min search didn't pop it up.

 

[cruiserdan]

You are not going to find a "new" motor. The biggest new part available would be a short block (if it is even still available) and you would have to buy a new head, valve train and so-on to be able to assemble a real "new" engine.

It would cost several thousand dollars in parts alone.

 

[DTCsk8er]

I'll be selling my 22re in a few months. Rebuilt it 4 years ago using Ted's (engnbldr) parts. Been daily driving it for about 3 years.. and been 3 times to/from Big Bend TX (1300-1400 mile trips each). Relatively strong engine, and the ONLY reason I am pulling it is because I got my hands on a 3rz for cheap. It's staying in the truck intil I have rebuilt the 3rz.

Rebuilding these 22r series engines is cake.. just requires some time. In terms of upgrades.. you really don't get much bang for your buck on these engines.. if you want HP, you better off swapping in something else. I was more interested in reliability, not so much going fast.

 

[jynx]

As of a couple years ago the 22r blocks were available new. Dan is right, you get a block, pistons and a crank. To assemble a new motor you need pretty much every other part of the motor.

That pile of parts looks something like this:

And yes that pile is what several thousand dollars looks like.

Do not go reman. They generally are all just a block that is punched out to as large an over bore as they can fit, same with bearings, then everything is stuffed back together. Any issues and the motor is a boat anchor.

If you can stand the downtime, your better off finding a good block, yours if it is in good shape, over bore as little as possible. Mild cam, valve job and quality parts with tight tolerances will get you the max out of the motor. Unless you get into turbos and other crazy stuff, about 120-130 reliable hp is going to be the spot to aim for. don't expect more than 150.

Again, look for a good local shop, stay away from remans from the big boxes, minimize the over bore and use good parts and you should end up with a solid little motor.

 

[jgranthevagrant]

As of a couple years ago the 22r blocks were available new. Dan is right, you get a block, pistons and a crank. To assemble a new motor you need pretty much every other part of the motor.

That pile of parts looks something like this:

View attachment 1066236

And yes that pile is what several thousand dollars looks like.

Do not go reman. They generally are all just a block that is punched out to as large an over bore as they can fit, same with bearings, then everything is stuffed back together. Any issues and the motor is a boat anchor.

If you can stand the downtime, your better off finding a good block, yours if it is in good shape, over bore as little as possible. Mild cam, valve job and quality parts with tight tolerances will get you the max out of the motor. Unless you get into turbos and other crazy stuff, about 120-130 reliable hp is going to be the spot to aim for. don't expect more than 150.

Again, look for a good local shop, stay away from remans from the big boxes, minimize the over bore and use good parts and you should end up with a solid little motor.

Any more info on the 22r short block availability from Toyota? I'm looking down the road.

 

[jynx]

Any more info on the 22r short block availability from Toyota? I'm looking down the road.

I will check tomorrow. The motors ran from the early 80s to 95, likely one of the longest running series in Toyotas history, my guess is there are a few in the US warehouse network at all times.

 

[pappy]

Story. I bought one of those high dollar engines. After 160K it failed. When I took the engine in for rebuilding the machine shop found that everything was over bored/milled. Bottom line, the block was trash. It could not be rebuilt and I had to source another. The shop was able to reuse the balanced crank/rods, and ported head, but needed a thicker head gasket to make it work. I also think this was the engine where the valves were ground to a "knife edge" to clear the pistons.

I love my new rebuild. I found a virgin block at the u-pull and it was taken 20 over leaving room in a few decades for another rebuild. I would not buy, ever again, an Internet/mail order engine. You just need to find a local machine shop that knows what they are doing, and pay them instead.

 

[pappy]

I will check tomorrow. The motors ran from the early 80s to 95, likely one of the longest running series in Toyotas history, my guess is there are a few in the US warehouse network at all times.

True, but the 22r did evolve. A block from 1982 is not the same as a block from 1990.

 

[jynx]

True, but the 22r did evolve. A block from 1982 is not the same as a block from 1990.

That is very true. I guess it depends on what he wants to build to go back in the truck. I remember a buddy who had several different 22r blocks and heads, but didn't know what went with what and was having a terrible time getting a good running motor out of the lot.

 

[KLF]

I have a good 22RE core that I'm trying to get rid of. I know the head has been decked once, but AFAIK the block has never seen any machine work. Came out of an '85 4Runner, it was using oil, but I never figured out where. I found another low-mi engine for cheaper than fixing this one, so I swapped it, this was back in 1993. Likely needs bored and new pistons. Need it gone, may just toss it soon, or maybe make a table out of it just for fun. I would ship it, but only if you pay all the costs (like, packing and everything).

 

[muddpigg]

KLF if no interest in the engine. There's a good chance I may be heading to upstate NY later this summer. If I do I might be interested.

 

[pappy]

I have a good 22RE core that I'm trying to get rid of.

Would somebody just take this thing? Somebody needs a core to rebuild.

 

[Mudder]

^pappy wants it.

 

[pappy]

^pappy wants it.

Two years ago I would have taken it. Don't need it now.

 

[KLF]

KLF if no interest in the engine. There's a good chance I may be heading to upstate NY later this summer. If I do I might be interested.

It's stored in the loft above my office, in our big shop. We could easily pop the head off and run a bore gauge on the cylinders to check it out, if you want.

 

[muddpigg]

Naw hold tight. My 4rnr has a low mileage rebuild in it. But got plans. I want a 1st gen truck and a 22re would be a nice upgrade. So not an immediate need. Plus never rebuilt a motor always be a swop out.

I should know if I'm heading towards your part of the country by June.