Tinkerer's Adventure GX550 vs GX460 vs LC200
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One of the very few YouTubers that actually gets it!
I agree with every word of this!
I agree with every word of this!
I love that guy. It makes me want long-travel. Do we know flex numbers (not RTI) on a stock 200?
Edit: On the LX570, it's in your first post on the AHC Long-travel post (9" front and 10" rear). Still, is the coil spring KDSS 200 any different?
Edit: On the LX570, it's in your first post on the AHC Long-travel post (9" front and 10" rear). Still, is the coil spring KDSS 200 any different?
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I posted this vid in your RTI thread, but then deleted since you posted here. Good video.
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I don't have any RTI scores for non-stock 200s. Too bad as IMO it would be pretty easy to achieve some pretty dramatic scores with some minor tweaks.
The 9" F / 10" R is the stock travel for both 200-series variants. Regardless of KDSS as the measured RTI scores are practically the same on both platforms. It's pretty easy to bump these travel numbers up to 10.5"+ F and 11"+ R with long travel shocks. I tried to capture some modded variants with this thread
Suspension Travel Comparison
Been meaning to do this to get some objective numbers to compare ride height versus droop travel versus compression travel. What better to do on a rainy day. Hope is that others may contribute and I'll update my table. We've known for awhile that some aftermarket suspensions increase what is...
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I think it'd be great to cross post and have this vid embedded in the RTI thread!
This was a really cool video.
All hail the mighty 200!
x2.... i subscribe to him! Finally, somebody knows what they are talking about!
who cares about part numbers..... AI going to take care of that!
toyota pls hire him! arigato
hoser
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IFS certainly hates wheel lift. But if you compared two vehicles, one lifted and one stock height but BOTH vehicles with F&R lockers, I'd say the lifted one with reduced down travel will still go further down the trail.... but you'll be more reliant on lockers. The stock one would high-center more often.
That GX460 suspension needs to go back to the drawing board.
Another excellent video from Kai.
On the Tundra Swap 200... he had a previous video of it breaking both front axles at the same time....it was in what looked like a rock garden and possible slip and catch scenario... maybe extreme angles came into play.... idk..I wasn't there so just seeing what I saw on the tube and trying to draw some conclusions for my own use.
I whole heartedly agree that down travel is king though... and Tundra swapping looks to be the right answer
I whole heartedly agree that down travel is king though... and Tundra swapping looks to be the right answer
Another thing with the 200 swap i never see mentioned is the shocks, they are different
LONNNNNNNG story short, when ordering my Bilstein kit, contemplating maybe the Tundra swap, i was thinking the Tundras were the same, and was looking at the 8112s with zone control.
After a pretty ridiculous amount of digging, the Tundra front shocks are an inch longer than the 200 front shocks. So Aesthetically they look the same, and they will technically bolt up, could see some issues here if shocks also not swapped at the time
Take that for what its worth
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bloc
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They are also different enough that on stuff like fancy shocks a 200 may need to notch spring buckets for things like reservoir lines on the tundra examples.
Yes, good point
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I'm torn on the Tundra swap and not sure it's a priority for a modded 200. There's enough differences and complexity besides just bolting up that it may not be worth the effort for majority of builds.
Performance wise, the 200-series already has class leading RTI. Unlike lesser platforms, articulation is not really a limitation in its off-road ability. Extended shocks can already expand on stock arms increasing travel to something like 12" F and 12" R. Those numbers are huge.
Some challenges is that it changes the motion ratio of the coilover so there's things to work through in terms of spring rate and damping to compensate. 1.5" wider per side creates packaging issues, putting the tire into the fender, perhaps requiring fender cutting, especially when considering necessary offset to keep geometry good, and pairing with likely larger tires. While wider track width is generally desirable, starting already as a full size SUV, larger track widths really start limiting where the vehicle can effectively travel. Then there's the need to space out the track width in the rear to keep tires inline for softer terrain like sand, and that compromises axle weight capacity and durability at the rear.
Of course there are those extreme enthusiast this absolutely makes sense for.
For myself, I'd rather focus on modding things that will make functional differences and there's enough other things to chew on before long arms. At least for my use and the desire to keep compromises at a minimum, long arms don't (currently) fit into my equation.
Performance wise, the 200-series already has class leading RTI. Unlike lesser platforms, articulation is not really a limitation in its off-road ability. Extended shocks can already expand on stock arms increasing travel to something like 12" F and 12" R. Those numbers are huge.
Some challenges is that it changes the motion ratio of the coilover so there's things to work through in terms of spring rate and damping to compensate. 1.5" wider per side creates packaging issues, putting the tire into the fender, perhaps requiring fender cutting, especially when considering necessary offset to keep geometry good, and pairing with likely larger tires. While wider track width is generally desirable, starting already as a full size SUV, larger track widths really start limiting where the vehicle can effectively travel. Then there's the need to space out the track width in the rear to keep tires inline for softer terrain like sand, and that compromises axle weight capacity and durability at the rear.
Of course there are those extreme enthusiast this absolutely makes sense for.
For myself, I'd rather focus on modding things that will make functional differences and there's enough other things to chew on before long arms. At least for my use and the desire to keep compromises at a minimum, long arms don't (currently) fit into my equation.
