The 'Safer car' debate (1 Viewer)

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Tools R Us said:
No problem, just buy him a TOYOTA 4x4 and slap Phil a twenty!:D

This is Michael: No problem with the twenty, but would it suffice if I put Toyota U-joints in my drivelines, and maybe Longfield joints in the front axle of the K5? :cool:

On the main subject: Gov'ment mandated vehicle safety devices are simply a necessity for today's traffic, like it or not, and it's due to the way the populace in general drives. And forget better (and consequently more expensive) driver education: this will never be accepted in a country where a vehicle is a must to manage daily life (i.e. unlike Europe/Germany, with mass transit options everywhere).

Just look at the consequence of the fact that today's cars are so easy to operate (anybody remember stickshifts?): People take full advantage of that fact - and do a lot of other things while driving: being on the phone, reading newspapers and books, applying makeup, having a dog in their lap, and what have you, anything else but paying attention to what's happening on the road. If you take this tendency of people to not pay attention to driving (after all, can you even hear the engine?) to be the constant factor, it makes a lot of sense to take the driver out of the equation as much as possible, while still allowing a degree of freedom that mass transit (which is undoubtedly safer from a traffic standpoint, never mind you might get held up in the subway...) does not offer.

I'd like to bring up another point, one that comes from a perspective of having grown up in Germany: in contrast to my home country, here in the U.S. one has at least the option to chose and modify a vehicle to your personal taste. Here, you have access to older vehicles, heck, you can actually pretty much engineer your own vehicle from scratch and still drive it legally on the street. So, you have at least a choice of how much new-fangled technology you have in your own vehicle, and what you want to change and modify.

Then again, that in itself is another scary proposition - this site here is rather mellow, but over at the K5 site there are way too many 17-20 year old kids that feel the incessant urge to have 350hp pushing their midwest rustbucket truck around on public roadways, and nobody is concerned about having bigger brakes... so it's pick your poison ;)
 
micheal you make a couple great points that i really like, mass transit for one. i wish it were a realistic option for me as i would use it to commute everyday.
the other is that cars ARE too easy to drive, almost taunting an otherwise good person to loose focus and become a bad driver.
 
RHINO said:
i dont know man, we could go ask i teen a saw get hit a few weeks back in a crosswalk at a school zone, posted limit was and is 35 during session "while lights flash". they had one of those radar trailer things out there for a week and i STILL saw it flash 50+mph at cars wizzing by it.
yes guys, speed is one of my pet peeves. i believe speed to be at the root of nearly all crashes. if folks werent speeding they would run many less red lights, they wouldnt need to shuffle back and forth changinig lanes and they sure as heck wouldnt have such nasty crashes on the hiways.


School zones in PHX are 35mph:confused: School zones down here are 15mph, and the cops go fishing in the zones. They'll nail you for for 1 over.
 
MaddBaggins said:
School zones in PHX are 35mph:confused: School zones down here are 15mph, and the cops go fishing in the zones. They'll nail you for for 1 over.

The only school zones around here that are 35 (at least in E Valley) are high shools. All Jr high/Elementary are 15 and the cops do the same.

Speed is a problem, but at least here in Phx, be honest. During my morning commute on surface streets with limit of 45 MPH, I regularly see traffic flow at 55-60MPH. And thats not even the "speeders". Except for the retards on their cell phones going 32 MPH and weaving in and out of lanes :confused:
 
well school zones ARE 15mph when they have those temp signs the crossing guards set out. but i am also seeing alot more of the 35mph signs out that flash yellow lights at certain times. then they still roll out the 15's when the kids are out.
 
MaddBaggins said:
School zones down here are 15mph, and the cops go fishing in the zones. They'll nail you for 1 over.

True dat again, they nailed me for 18 in a 15 zone on a day that there was no school in session, sign was still in the middle of the road :mad:. Irony is, the photoradar machines are made in Germany (at least the first generation installed in Scottsdale was.....) how could I claim they were inaccurate? :rolleyes:
 
DSRTRDR said:
This is Michael: No problem with the twenty, but would it suffice if I put Toyota U-joints in my drivelines, and maybe Longfield joints in the front axle of the K5? :cool:

;)


i dont see why not, our own prez prefers your brand of engine:grinpimp:
 
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