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I was thinking “what is this fascist BS, no wonder it’s so low on a long list with lots of words”.
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Oh, a spotter. They never get the chicks.
For some reason, when reading this, my mind went to one of the greatest band names of all time. And while you'd be close if you said the Eagles of Death Metal, I was actually thinking And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead. I'm so confused this morning. Going back to bed.
For real though, let's say you're confirmed sick with a test. Contact tracers will work with you to figure out where you've been in the past 14 days, and who you may have come in contact with, to figure out who else you may have infected. They quarantine you, then reach out to those persons (somehow) and test them.
Very effective way of slowing down / stopping the spread of this disease. Very dystopian, but very effective. South Korea used extensive contact tracing to avoid the majority of impact.
They're still using it - friends of mine went to south korea a couple of weeks ago and are still there - anyone coming in to the country is told to download an app and check in twice a day and quarantined for 2 weeks. The app tracks your location and records everyone that you've come in contact with through Bluetooth signals and downloads it to a main system.
Soon enough they'll have that here.... what I mean is, soon enough the capability that already existed that we fought against because it's a clear invasion of privacy will be willingly downloaded under the guise of safety.
Soon enough they'll have that here.... what I mean is, soon enough the capability that already existed that we fought against because it's a clear invasion of privacy will be willingly downloaded under the guise of safety.
I completely agree. Really, it's a small add-on to existing technologies. Google maps live traffic? Location histories? Always-on microphones? Most of that is already there, so you just need to compare who is near each other at what times, with the data they already have, and boom, done.
Legislation is needed to prevent corporations from proliferating these types of mass-surveillance systems. Unfortunately, that would require we elect technocrats, and not luddites, but I digress.
Legislation is needed to prevent corporations from proliferating these types of mass-surveillance systems. Unfortunately, that would require we elect technocrats, and not luddites, but I digress.
There was a great article on NPR about this about 3 weeks ago. Its a great idea if we had fast and easy testing measures available, like South Korea.
Then there would be those that would fight this tooth and nail and would take forever to implement so your luddites comment is right on point.
The problem is not that these technologies exist, it's that there's very little to no regulation how they're used. Using location tracking for live traffic is good. Using contact tracing to track, and control, spread of a deadly pathogen is good.
After the pathogen is gone though, what's that going to be used for? Targeted advertising and phishing attacks to scam money out of people. Worse yet, what china is implementing, where a "social credit" system is used restrict what you can and cannot do.
The technology isn't the problem, it's how corporations use it. Google and Apple have said they promise to stop using contact tracing after this is over. That's good, but what we need is legislation *forcing* them to stop, because it's not just Google and Apple who have this ability.
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After the pathogen is gone though, what's that going to be used for? Targeted advertising and phishing attacks to scam money out of people. Worse yet, what china is implementing, where a "social credit" system is used restrict what you can and cannot do.
The technology isn't the problem, it's how corporations use it. Google and Apple have said they promise to stop using contact tracing after this is over. That's good, but what we need is legislation *forcing* them to stop, because it's not just Google and Apple who have this ability.
Google, Apple promise to disable contact tracing system when Covid-19 passes
More details revealed on how new technology will work
Tracy (the better half) works at the Joco health dept, they are still tracing and work through the weekends. Shes got stories of people "attending funerals" or "bringing food to parents" even though they have been positive. "Im not showing symptoms so i thought it was fine" or "I feel better so i thought it was over"
The general public is stupid
The general public is stupid
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This type of technology has been a topic of conversation in the shop of late. David, the guy that works with me has found that all of a sudden things we discuss in the shop start showing up as adds and "news" stories on his phone. Too many times to not think that something on his phone is listening. I mentioned artillery wheels one day in the shop and all of a sudden he gets a news feed on the subject of artillery out of nowhere. Never had anything like it prior. There have been several other things he has noticed as well. A little too George Orwell for me.
The problem is not that these technologies exist, it's that there's very little to no regulation how they're used. Using location tracking for live traffic is good. Using contact tracing to track, and control, spread of a deadly pathogen is good.
After the pathogen is gone though, what's that going to be used for? Targeted advertising and phishing attacks to scam money out of people. Worse yet, what china is implementing, where a "social credit" system is used restrict what you can and cannot do.
The technology isn't the problem, it's how corporations use it. Google and Apple have said they promise to stop using contact tracing after this is over. That's good, but what we need is legislation *forcing* them to stop, because it's not just Google and Apple who have this ability.
Google, Apple promise to disable contact tracing system when Covid-19 passes
More details revealed on how new technology will work
Yep read that article also, although i'm trying to find to podcast from NPR as it was much better.
We have never been good at regulation or oversight here, which will also be a major hindrance to it.
Is anyone else keeping some ever clear in a spray bottle in their car to emergency disinfect their hands or is it just me?
The problem is not that these technologies exist, it's that there's very little to no regulation how they're used. Using location tracking for live traffic is good. Using contact tracing to track, and control, spread of a deadly pathogen is good.
After the pathogen is gone though, what's that going to be used for? Targeted advertising and phishing attacks to scam money out of people. Worse yet, what china is implementing, where a "social credit" system is used restrict what you can and cannot do.
The technology isn't the problem, it's how corporations use it. Google and Apple have said they promise to stop using contact tracing after this is over. That's good, but what we need is legislation *forcing* them to stop, because it's not just Google and Apple who have this ability.
Google, Apple promise to disable contact tracing system when Covid-19 passes
More details revealed on how new technology will work
"The technology isn't the problem, it's how
At least with corporations there can be repercussions or controls developed if used improperly.
I understand how they say electronic contact tracing helped South Korea. Good for them I guess. It seems like we've flattened the curve enough to not sign away any little bit of the privacy we have left here.
If we do need some, the technology could do both. I heard of a version where you opt in and your phone locally records (via Bluetooth and with encryption) other phones it was near. If you get it there's a record to use to contact others. If you don't the data stays yours. (as much as you can trust the system)
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I have been for years. Wait.....to disinfect hands you say? Umm......yeah.....that's why.
I swear officer......
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99.99% of Americans have zero issue with giving up their freedoms to the federal government if it makes things more convenient for them.
Having said that. I don’t have a whole lot of confidence in the GOV. -I wander why?
To me the problem is not the Gov. the problem is the corporations selling your data. If people really cared about it though, they would stop using smart phones. And you know damn well nobody is going to do that. Again, because of convenience. The Gov only cares about your data if your a political threat or doing illegal s***. They don’t really care about your deck pics, except the lady at the NSA that got caught with over a million deck pics she had captured.
the main reason why we are not allowed to have phones anywhere near our buildings at work.
Having said that. I don’t have a whole lot of confidence in the GOV. -I wander why?
To me the problem is not the Gov. the problem is the corporations selling your data. If people really cared about it though, they would stop using smart phones. And you know damn well nobody is going to do that. Again, because of convenience. The Gov only cares about your data if your a political threat or doing illegal s***. They don’t really care about your deck pics, except the lady at the NSA that got caught with over a million deck pics she had captured.
the main reason why we are not allowed to have phones anywhere near our buildings at work.
Hot damn I bet about 10k of those were from @custyota to me or me to him. Adam they got our pics.......
