That four letter word...

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There was a time in my life where I thought I'd never say this, but that time has come and gone. This process has taken several years and countless hours of consternation. But it appears as though it's now inevitable...

I'm leaving CA in about six months for parts East. Northeastern Ohio to be exact. I'll always have the memories of pining away the long hours of a summer afternoon in the shade of an old cottonwood down by the river, in some remote canyon seated deep in the interior of the Great American West. I wouldn't trade my 10 years on the West Coast for anything. Enjoyed adventures all across the wide open spaces - from Eastern slope of the Sierras, to the desert wastelands of Nevada (the last frontier in the West IMO), the high deserts of Oregon, the mountains of Idaho, the plains of Montana, Death Valley. Been through a few rigs, been stranded, caught in blizzards, broke down, busted up, shot at, lost my beer - but always got thru and learned a lesson from it (strap down your beer and your flyrod if nothing else).

I reckon NE Ohio won't have quite the same appeal. In fact I know it won't. Been there enough times now. But this is one of those deals you don't say "no" to.

It may seem crazy to most, but I know it won't to you guys - all I can think about, in fact I've even had dreams about it the last few nights - so I have to put this out there, it's that repulsive four letter word that all you eastern cruiserheads are all too familiar with - RUST !

My rig is a CA rig from it's first days. No rust anywhere. But the thought of taking it from the arid climate of the West, to the moist, sodium infested locales of the Eastern US has me sleepless.

What, if anything, can I do to ensure that my trusty rig won't disintegrate in my very driveway ?

Should I just plan on putting it up each winter, or are there sealants or rust-proof paints that can be applied to repel the effects ?

This is killing me to think about. Any of you Eastern fellas have some proven tactics for defeating the insidious forces of the Eastern climate / road maintenance practices ?

I'm originally an Eastern fella so I'm not worried about myself as much as I am my 40. I plan on taking a few weeks and driving it across the country when the time comes. I'll ship all my other stuff, load up the wife and the dog and see the wide open spaces one last time. Nothing like the view from a doorless / topless 40.

Any advice on a plan of approach? I'd hate to see this thing fall apart after all I've done, and still plan to do.
 
tojons said:
What, if anything, can I do to ensure that my trusty rig won't disintegrate in my very driveway ?

Should I just plan on putting it up each winter, or are there sealants or rust-proof paints that can be applied to repel the effects ?


DO NOT drive it in the winter, EVER, PERIOD.


Again, in case you missed it the first time....


DO NOT drive it in the winter, EVER, PERIOD.



If you are seriously this concerned about rust....


DO NOT drive it in the winter, EVER, PERIOD. Not a little, not any, not EVER. The salt stays on the roads until after long soaking rains in the spring.


Good luck!



-Steve
 
I lived in NE OH for the first 26 years of my life. Daily driver cruisers were few and far between, even 13+ years ago when I left. Unless you are some true diehard that absolutely has to drive a 40 everyday, I'd say put it away from mid October to mid April and buy something that you don't care basting in the salt. Body panel coatings have come along way and new cars don't seem to age in appearance so quickly as say 15 years ago. Buy something that is comfortable, reasonably ecomomical with good defrosters, heater, wipers and squirters...things I have never found a 40-series to be. Do you ever notice that you don't see any 40's onthe road when you visit Ohio? That's because except for a savored few, most have gone the way of rust. Or keep your contacts open and import a western US 40 every so many years when your current truck falls to pieces. Just to remember what salt does to a Cruiser take a look a few of these pics I have shamelesly stolen from the net. Good luck and just don't do it man!
 
Make sure you have a GARAGE and if you don't invest in one. Try not to drive it too much in the winter...salt is a fawker and roads in the east are s***...I'm far east in NH so I don't know about Ohio but probably s***ty roads...
 
Another option might be to strip it and rust coat it and repaint it every year. But I would have to agree I live in the mountains in va and salt was on the road from late oct through late march every yr and I have seen my truck and my parents cars rust away in those years.
 
That was what I figured. It's not a DD now, and won't be then. I drive my Tacoma to and from. I thought there might be another option but I guess I'll have to accept the fact that it gets mothballed every winter. It's not all bad, that will give me time to work on it.

And now that you mention it, in all the years I've been going back to NE Ohio, you're right - I don't think I've ever seen a 40.

Damned shame - but I can live with it. As long as that rust won't come through closed doors...
 
tojons said:
As long as that rust won't come through closed doors...



it will try....
 
After having my 72 for 12 years up here in saltville, and trying to avoid driving in the winter, I have purchased the 77 from Calif (no rot just some surface rust) to replace the 72 due to excessive frame rust. I just bought a 76 parts truck that has a frame that looks like dgangle's above and I'm afraid to climb under it (really!).

One thing I have observed is that once the drain holes in the frame block up the salt and water will gather and and can't escape, Drill 'em bigger or make sure they stay clear.

Ditto,Ditto,Ditto! to what Mr. Poser and the others have stated. SALT SUCKS!! Stay in Calif....This weather sucks but at least we have the coast. How are the beaches in Ohio??????Ha!Ha!

John
 
Ditto on what most others have said, Dont drive in the winter, and get a garage, Then in the winter wash the damn thing each month. INSIDE the garage.

As far as beaches, go to Michigan for long weekends or vacation. Lake Michigan cant be beat IMO. Also there are the Silver Lake Sand Dunes you can take the cruiser on.

Welcome (back) to the middle of blah.
 
zetasig said:
Ditto on what most others have said, Dont drive in the winter, and get a garage, Then in the winter wash the damn thing each month. INSIDE the garage.
I don't know if I'd recommend that either. Even if you put it away salty, as long as it was dry it would not rust. I'm no chemist but one of the required compounds for oxidstion is water Fe+2H2O=H2+FeO2 or something like that. Anyone see the program on TDC last night on taxidermy? Well the newest thing is freeze drying/sublimation to anything organic. No water= no decay. I wonder if someone will figure out a method for doing this to an automobile?
 
I'm in NH and I had to drive my cruiser one winter. It's originally a PA truck, but it has an aluminum tub and the whole frame had been surface coated with por-15. I figured it would be ok if I washed it after every time I had to drive it. At the time my daily driver was a bmw, and anything more than an inch or so of snow and I couldn't get to work. So every time I drove it I washed it when I got it home. One of the advantages of a heated garage. But by spring I had rust popping out everywhere, the hood was a lost cause, windshield frame was a mess, bib was rusty, and salt had been settling inside the framerails. The following fall I tore the truck down to frame and rebuilt the whole thing top to bottom end to end. It will NEVER see salt again. Thats what I have my tacoma for.
 
The problem is even if you put it away dry, the hot cold cycles cause condensation in the garage(unless its temperature controled to 24/7/365) I have that problem at my garage were its basicly the same temp inside as out and the hot/cold cycles cause condensation and rusting on bare metal:(

Stew
 
Just in case you missed this the first few times. ;)
Put it away clean and dry for the winter. Also, a garage with no vapor barrier under the floor is just as bad as putting it outside under a car cover. Moisture just rises out of the floor and collects under the truck. :rolleyes:

Poser said:
DO NOT drive it in the winter, EVER, PERIOD.


Again, in case you missed it the first time....


DO NOT drive it in the winter, EVER, PERIOD.



If you are seriously this concerned about rust....


DO NOT drive it in the winter, EVER, PERIOD. Not a little, not any, not EVER. The salt stays on the roads until after long soaking rains in the spring.


Good luck!



-Steve
 
cruzer said:
The problem is even if you put it away dry, the hot cold cycles cause condensation in the garage(unless its temperature controled to 24/7/365) I have that problem at my garage were its basicly the same temp inside as out and the hot/cold cycles cause condensation and rusting on bare metal:(

Stew

:D Ha, what Stew said. I'm currently helping my neighbor try to unfreeze the brake drums and motors on three antiques he put in storage in a clean unheated garage about twenty years ago. May as well have been sitting outside. :rolleyes:
 
Not sure if anyone mentioned it,but do not drive it in the winter, ever!
 
Welcome to NE OH

Todd,
I have been in NE OH for a long time and have 2 FJ40s. I can tell you that mine are put away just before the first snow usually late Oct. or early Nov. I am still waiting to take them out again It takes at least a month for all of the salt to wash away. So I should have them on the road April 1st. Just curious as to what part of NE OH you moving to. You know we have very few 40s around here less than 5 in NE OH and I have 2 of them. I have stored mine in a heated building for the last 2 winters and have not noticed any rust. I do have an 86 K5 Blazer that has been in the family since day one and has never seen salt however it was stored in an unheated garage and has a fair amount of rust on its belly. As we all know you can not stop it. The funny thing is that I park my old LandCruisers but my DD is newer and is covered in salt right now, I am not worried about that because I sell them after 3 years before rust sets in. As far as wide open spaces we do have Lake Erie and that is wide open although still ice covered now it should thaw soon. Look me up when you are out here I am east of Cleveland and always like to see another 40.
MJM
 
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I've got mine in one of those rented storage sheds, which has a moisture barrier under the door. However, it's unheated. On the other hand, lack of heat makes chemical reactions take place far slower than heated environments. I live in Michigan, where you pretty much don't see any vehicle older than about late 80's, the rest have been eaten alive. Every Land Cruiser around my town has had a frame-up resto done in the past 5 years if driven in the winter even once, the salt is that bad. I'm hoping to pull it out in a couple months, but I'm willing to wait longer to insure the salt residue on the roads does not get into nooks and crannies.

Remember the #1 rule of rust prevention: DO NOT DRIVE YOUR LAND CRUISER IN THE WINTER!!!! NEVER, EVER, AT ALL, JUST DON'T DO IT!!! IT'S NOT WORTH IT!!! UNDERSTAND??? Get a winter beater or something, but NEVER DRIVE YOUR CRUISER IN THE WINTER!!! I can't stress that enough!!
 
Mother office is in the North Akron / Cuyahoga Falls area. Not sure where I'll live yet, but likely out of town within a half hour or so radius. Looking for an out of the way place.

Where do you wheel in NE Ohio ?
 

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