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Can someone please tell me how the 1958 will survive this?

I just watched the video below and now I am more than ever sure the 250 Prado 1958 will be cannibalized by the 6th gen. 4runner. Watch this video and tell me you would not rather buy this 4Runner for $58k full of amenities that are even on par with the 200 series (not that the build quality is the same, but the actual features are there) than a LC1958 stripped and bare bones for the same $58k or even $60k, after the dealer adds? You must reeeeeally want all time 4wd and a "new land cruiser" to choose the 1958. It is mind-bogging.

 
Full time 4wd, and the hybrid.

Looking at the pricing difference between the 4R TRD ORP ($54,970) and TRD ORP w/ i-ForceMax ($57,770), Toyota wants about $3k more for (presumably) just the hybrid powertrain.

Similarly, the 4R Limited 2wd ($55,400) and the Limited w/ i-ForceMax & 4wd ($60,200), Toyota wants $5k more for full time 4wd and hybrid powertrain.

LC 1958 (full time 4wd and hybrid powertrain) is $56,700.
 
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MRego said:
Can someone please tell me how the 1958 will survive this?

I just watched the video below and now I am more than ever sure the 250 Prado 1958 will be cannibalized by the 6th gen. 4runner. Watch this video and tell me you would not rather buy this 4Runner for $58k full of amenities that are even on par with the 200 series (not that the build quality is the same, but the actual features are there) than a LC1958 stripped and bare bones for the same $58k or even $60k, after the dealer adds? You must reeeeeally want all time 4wd and a "new land cruiser" to choose the 1958. It is mind-bogging.

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Introducing the new Toyota Durango everyone!
 
Ben Hardy has a video like this, constantly has to drive traffic to their videos. Always exclamatory. He and the wheeler dealer guy had to be unfollowed by me.
 
rexington14 said:
Full time 4wd, and the hybrid.
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Funny. To me the hybrid is a deterrent as opposed to an incentive. That battery hump in the back is just ridiculous and badly executed.
rexington14 said:
LC 1958 (full time 4wd and hybrid powertrain) is $56,700.
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You would be hard pressed to find a 1958 at that price from what I have seen. After the dealer add-ons they are pushing close to $61k. However, I admit some showed here it is possible to negotiate hard with dealers and get aggressive discounts considering the piles of 1958 sitting in lots right now.

Lopott said:
Ben Hardy has a video like this, constantly has to drive traffic to their videos.
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Correct. I did the same, but the algorithm keeps sending his videos my way and I was really curious to see a "real life" experience of the new 6th gen. All the other videos were just reviews by the so-called journalists that receive all-inclusive invitations from Toyota to closed course tests. Not exactly unbiased. This is showing a real life MSRP with running boards and apparently no additional dealer crap, which is how I would try to find one of these if it was my cup of tea.

I do not dislike the styling of the 6th gen and honestly to the general population that could not care less for the Land Cruiser name or full time 4wd, when comparing what one offers against the other for a lower price (or even the same price), it is a no-brainer to me.
 
how anything built on the TNGA platform got past the big wigs at Toyota is beyond me

ugly, overdone in everyway, less reliable than the previous gens, too expensive, thrown together, weird mix-match of drivetrain options, douche-bro to the max everywhere

but 1 mpg better? lame.

not that they care, but they lost me as a fan/potential buyer
 
MRego said:
Funny. To me the hybrid is a deterrent as opposed to an incentive. That battery hump in the back is just ridiculous and badly executed.

You would be hard pressed to find a 1958 at that price from what I have seen. After the dealer add-ons they are pushing close to $61k. However, I admit some showed here it is possible to negotiate hard with dealers and get aggressive discounts considering the piles of 1958 sitting in lots right now.
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Hybrid is around a 3-4 mpg bump in the city, 48hp increase and 148 lb ft torque increase.

MSRP is MSRP. What you "let" the dealer get away with is up to you as the buyer.
 
Get back to me in 5 years once they've worked the bugs/reliability issues out of the new drivetrain and rest of the vehicle

full time 4WD/AWD is an expensive nuisance......requires too much expense wrt tire maint and replacement.

that infotainment screen looks like its begging to be a skull cleaver in an accident....the 2019 small screen was easier to navigate with fewer clicks than the new mega screens which do nothing but add cost and arguably present a safety issue in a crash

Give me an SR5 premium with optional diff locks and I'll take it.....

The G54R was a sweet spot except for its lack of MT....and diesel engine but other than that......
 
This was discussed a lot about the hybrid and whether it would help or hurt towing. The TFL tow test suggests that the non-hybrid (4Runner) does perform better towing. It beat the hybrid in their Eisenhower pass tow test. I think the hybrid is a net negative in its current configuration for me. If it were free - I'd still probably pass on it. I do love the inverter part. But I'm not sure that's enough benefit to give up the weight and cargo volume. I still think it needs a 10kwh minimum battery size and then it'd be amazing. That's enough to add real towing power output up an entire pass and regen the way down. That would translate to significant mpg benefits. And it could have a silent trail mode like the 4xe Jeeps.



For me - I don't think ANY of them will sell very well at MSRP. I suspect the Land Cruiser trim is nearly dead. They're sitting 250+ days on lots. There are some that are over 300 days on the lot. That means they were delivered to the dealer in April of 2024 - they were the first production deliveries that still have not sold. That's a good indication to me that there's very low demand at MSRP.

I quite like it as a midsize all around SUV. I like the styling. I'm okay with the powertrain at a price reflecting a 4cyl base model. But the price just isn't that. And I also don't think anyone is going to buy a $60k TRD Offroad trim 4Runner. Much less a $65k TRD OR hybrid. The SR5 is priced more competitively with the market, but it is completely stripped down for this new gen. It has less content than the last model. It doesn't even come with basic skid plates or a full size spare. And it's a minimum of $7,000 to move to a TRD OR. And the TRD OR trims don't even offer the SDM as an option like they have on the Tacoma. It's only sold on the TRD Pro and TrailHunter models. The 5th gen was $1,030 difference between SR5 and TRD OR trims when I bought my last one in 2015. Current Tundra TRD OR package is $2,100. KDSS was $1,800 option. Why is it $7k in the 4Runner?

I'm still a bit shocked at how Toyota marketing made up these trim combinations and how overpriced they are.
 
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Jetboy said:
I'm okay with the powertrain at a price reflecting a 4cyl base model. But the price just isn't that. And I also don't think anyone is going to buy a $60k TRD Offroad trim 4Runner. Much less a $65k TRD OR hybrid.
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Where are you getting those prices? You're about $10k too high per Toyota's website. A 4R TRD Offroad MSRP's at $49,190. Even TRD Offroad Premium w/ hybrid is much less than $65k. (see below)

rexington14 said:
Looking at the pricing difference between the 4R TRD ORP ($54,970) and TRD ORP w/ i-ForceMax ($57,770), Toyota wants about $3k more for (presumably) just the hybrid powertrain.
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The IKE Gauntlet Test is a good test. What disappoints me about the boys is they do not read the manual and prefer to fumble around the settings. For non-hybrids it is nothing new. I think they missed some settings on the LC which is why it did so poorly. I could be wrong since I do not have an LC. Other videos where they have technology, they really look a bit foolish pushing buttons on camera.
To your point, the Toyota Marketing is out to lunch for these new TNJA products. I hate the non-options on the 1958, give me the Swaybar disco and MTS. Why cannot not get the nice driver seat without a sun roof? I have long legs. 20" wheels are for Land Rovers or should I say Mall Rovers.
 
rexington14 said:
Where are you getting those prices? You're about $10k too high per Toyota's website. A 4R TRD Offroad MSRP's at $49,190. Even TRD Offroad Premium w/ hybrid is much less than $65k. (see below)
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Toyota is loading them up with add-ons so far.

I think $56,820 is the lowest MSRP ORP trim Toyota has shipped. Most are between $58k and $62k.


The lowest price TRD OR that I found is $50,640. I think that's the minimum price with no options or add-ons that you can actually configure.
 
rexington14 said:
Hybrid is around a 3-4 mpg bump in the city, 48hp increase and 148 lb ft torque increase.

MSRP is MSRP. What you "let" the dealer get away with is up to you as the buyer.
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Real life difference for these hybrids is 1 maybe 2 mpgs. Oh, and don't you have to use Premium in the 1958? I doubt that is the case in the 4runner. The 48hp increase to me is negligible and I would much rather have a useable and traditional cargo area, as opposed to that camel hump. I agree about letting the dealer get away with MSRP but even comparing MSRP on the 4runner he reviewed - $58k against MSRP on a 1958 - $57K, there is no way in hell I would choose that stripper 1958. Come on, $57k and manual seats, when I can get powered seats heated and cooled in the 4runner? Give me a break.
 
MRego said:
even comparing MSRP on the 4runner he reviewed - $58k against MSRP on a 1958 - $57K, there is no way in hell I would choose that stripper 1958. Come on, $57k and manual seats, when I can get powered seats heated and cooled in the 4runner? Give me a break.
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Understood. The TRD ORP has a better equipped interior - but is without full time 4wd and the hybrid. So, take your pick. Btw, 1958 does have heated seats.
 
MRego said:
Real life difference for these hybrids is 1 maybe 2 mpgs. Oh, and don't you have to use Premium in the 1958? I doubt that is the case in the 4runner. The 48hp increase to me is negligible and I would much rather have a useable and traditional cargo area, as opposed to that camel hump. I agree about letting the dealer get away with MSRP but even comparing MSRP on the 4runner he reviewed - $58k against MSRP on a 1958 - $57K, there is no way in hell I would choose that stripper 1958. Come on, $57k and manual seats, when I can get powered seats heated and cooled in the 4runner? Give me a break.
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They're just different skins on the same vehicle. I'm with you on this - the 4Runner looks like a lot better value.

It's so frustrating that Toyota could build what a ton of buyers would want. Just trade the hybrid delete for the 4Runner Premium interior and call it a day.
 
My local dealer has 8 available (1958) online all under $60K

This one at $54,455

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I’ll take the LC over the 4R for the AWD alone.
 
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