T-CAM bullbars

[Greg B]

So Greg who is talking out of theyre ass here, show me where you can get a comparable airbag compatible bullbar shipped, without having to paint or add , light inserts, not to mention upgrade the torsion bars for $900.00, and don't say the the tjm T-3 that has had mixed reviews on this board.

Sorry, I didn't respond to the last part of your post; missed it on my last post.

None of the bars from TJM or ARB require you to paint them. And none of the bars from TJM require additional lights. Yes, the ARB's for 2003 and up require additional lights (I'm assuming you have an 04 based on your handle). None of the bars require you to upgrade the torsion bars either. You simply adjust the stock bars to original height once the bar is mounted. You will need to do this with any bar you add including the one you bought. And the T15 and T3 can both be had for $900.

Like I said before, I don't care which one you get; its your money. If you make claims about something without backing it up though you will get called on it. If not by me, then someone else here.

 

[Greg B]

Just dug out my receipts.

TJM T-15: $985

IPF 900: $262

Shipping: $175

Of course the shipping included the winch and winch mount.

Total: $1422

You can buy the T3C in steel and the T-15 in steel or alluminum with shipping for $950 or less from 4x4 Connection. The IPF 900's don't play into this number as they are a separate item for any of the bumpers including the Toyota one.

 

[SINCITY100]

Forget ARB...they are horribly overrated !!

Actually, My ARB combo bar w/winch mount was only $814.00..DELIVERED !
Add my Hella driving lights ($209.00)....and I only have about a grand in my front end

...Well, a grand for now ...


Oh yeah...

lets see some pics when you get that overpriced "genuine" Toyota bumper on...

 

[greynolds]

Toyota Genuine Accessories are designed, tested and manufactured to strict Toyota standards.

The way I read this, any given part may or may not be manufactured BY Toyota. They're manufactured to Toyota standards, not necessarily by Toyota.

This quality and reliability is supported with up to a 3 year, 100,000km warranty*.

This has some value, but cashing in on a warranty claim would be pricey as I doubt that Toyota USA would have anything to do with it.

According to Toyota Australia's Rory Macdougall, non-genuine bulibars that claim to be airbag compatible struggle to match Toyota's test and development program.

Again, there's nothing saying that Toyota actually makes them or that ARB or TJM (or someone else) doesn't make them to Toyota's specs. Even if made by ARB or TJM, they may or may not be identical to products in the ARB/TJM lineup.

So Greg who is talking out of theyre ass here

Is there really a need for this?

show me where you can get a comparable airbag compatible bullbar shipped, without having to paint

Are these Toyota bumpers available in all possible matching colors? If so, that would be a plus over their ARB/TJM counterparts that are typically available in "any color as long as it's black", so to speak (AFAIK, each of the ARB and TJM bumpers comes in 1 color - not always black).

 

[Sean04100]

This is what you should have posted in the first place:


Greg B, that was what I posted in the first post that started this thread. The link is right there, I guess you did'nt read it.


Greynolds, do you really believe a fortune 100 corporation the size of Toyota would not stand behind it's parts?

 

[greynolds]

Greynolds, do you really believe a fortune 100 corporation the size of Toyota would not stand behind it's parts?

If the air bags don't (or do) deploy when they should (or shouldn't) I'm pretty sure they would look for legal grounds to be able to deny liability for it. I'm no lawyer, but I would think they'd be standing on pretty solid ground to claim no responsibility for using parts that aren't sold in the local market. It may depend just exactly how the company is setup in the US.

The bottom line is that if you are concerned about liability issues related to installing a heavier duty bumper (which you have stated was one of the primary reasons for going with the Toyota branded bumper), you probably should seek to get something in writing from Toyota USA that Genuine Toyota Accessories are approved regardless of whether they are normally sold in the United States or not. I'd be pretty surprised (but impressed) if Toyota agreed to give you something in writing. Otherwise, I would think you would have fewer liability issues going with a bumper from ARB or TJM who officially import their bumpers into the United States.

 

[firetruck41]

Greynolds, do you really believe a fortune 100 corporation the size of Toyota would not stand behind it's parts?

Absolutely, it is not designed, tested or sold for the US market. They have no liability as it is, why would Toyota take on liability for something like that, especially in the litigious society that is the US????

 

[alaskacruiser]

Greynolds, do you really believe a fortune 100 corporation the size of Toyota would not stand behind it's parts?

Sean- sorry you're being given such a hard time on this thread, but I do think you are being really optimistic on this. No manufacturer will stand behind a product not approved for use in another country. The "Toyota" bullbar is not specified as meeting US safety requirements, therefore Toyota will not stand behind it any more than ARB will stand behind their bumper as airbag-safe. I really do think you are wasting your money on this venture.

Please follow this advice:

If you really believe Toyota will stand behind the product, follow some previous advice and get something from Toyota in writing saying they will stand behind the Aussie bullbar if used in the US. *I seriously doubt you will get this from Toyota*.

If you do, please let us know. Not only will you shut everyone up, but you won't be potentially wasting your money by making an expensive purchase with a HUGE assumption.

 

[greynolds]

Sean- sorry you're being given such a hard time on this thread, but I do think you are being really optimistic on this. No manufacturer will stand behind a product not approved for use in another country. The "Toyota" bullbar is not specified as meeting US safety requirements, therefore Toyota will not stand behind it any more than ARB will stand behind their bumper as airbag-safe. I really do think you are wasting your money on this venture.

I don't think any of us are intending to give him a hard time, just trying to point out possible errors in his assumptions. Given that ARB and TJM actively sell their bullbars in the US, I suspect they would have to stand behind their product more than Toyota would. They'd have a much harder time trying to claim that their bullbars don't meet US safety requirements.

Please follow this advice:

If you really believe Toyota will stand behind the product, follow some previous advice and get something from Toyota in writing saying they will stand behind the Aussie bullbar if used in the US. *I seriously doubt you will get this from Toyota*.

If you do, please let us know. Not only will you shut everyone up, but you won't be potentially wasting your money by making an expensive purchase with a HUGE assumption.

I would be both very surprised and very impressed if Toyota did give him something in writing. It would say a lot about the company.

 

[alaskacruiser]

Given that ARB and TJM actively sell their bullbars in the US, I suspect they would have to stand behind their product more than Toyota would. They'd have a much harder time trying to claim that their bullbars don't meet US safety requirements.

I don't know about TJM, but ARB has totally covered themselves by stating the ARB bullbar for the 80 series is not for use on airbag equipped vehicles. Don't know the situation for the 100 series.

 

[greynolds]

I don't know about TJM, but ARB has totally covered themselves by stating the ARB bullbar for the 80 series is not for use on airbag equipped vehicles. Don't know the situation for the 100 series.

I don't recall seeing that anywhere, but direct from their site (http://www.arbusa.com/design_engineering.htm):

Air Bag Compatibility

ARB air bag compatible bull bars and mounting systems are built to replicate the vehicle’s crush rate, thereby ensuring complete air bag compatibility without compromising protection levels.

The above quote is not for a specific vehicle, but their site doesn't seem to make any claims per vehicle in regards to air bag compatibility. The latest catalog they recently sent me does specifically mention air bag compatibility in the 100 series section, but doesn't mention it 1 way or the other in the 80 series section. I would think that absent specific disclaimers, given the info on their site and in their catalog, they'd be on the hook to stand behind their product.

I do know that it took ARB a long time to come out with an air bag compatible version of their bumper for the Land Rover Discovery (the '95-'99 version) and it was a pretty big deal when they did - a lot of people wanted the older version without the new air bag features thinking it would be better for serious off road use.

 

[alaskacruiser]

I don't recall seeing that anywhere, but direct from their site (http://www.arbusa.com/design_engineering.htm):

The above quote is not for a specific vehicle, but their site doesn't seem to make any claims per vehicle in regards to air bag compatibility. The latest catalog they recently sent me does specifically mention air bag compatibility in the 100 series section, but doesn't mention it 1 way or the other in the 80 series section. I would think that absent specific disclaimers, given the info on their site and in their catalog, they'd be on the hook to stand behind their product.

greynolds- this is pretty well-known in the 80's forums: if you buy an ARB bullbar for the 80-series, the disclaimer is included with the product.

 

[greynolds]

greynolds- this is pretty well-known in the 80's forums: if you buy an ARB bullbar for the 80-series, the disclaimer is included with the product.

That would tend to make it pretty clear .

 

[Sean04100]

I recieved the bumper last Friday from Australia in a Toyota box, with Toyota manuals, I'll post pics later. I like the mounts they are rigid, no accordion type of bracket.

 

[Sean04100]

here are some pics, I'll post some when I get it on

 

[Sean04100]

couple more

 

[Sean04100]

here is one of the inside of the bumper where the 4 bolts connect to the bracket

 

[alaskacruiser]

Sean- nice pics, now let's see it on the truck!

BTW, you get that letter from Toyota stating they'll cover their Aussie bullbar in the US? If so, I believe many will be rethinking things when it comes to bumpers...

 

[sJs]

Thread tagged - look forward to seeing it on your truck!

 

[Sean04100]

I'll try to get time to put it on this week, and I'lll post some pics.
I'm not worried about Toyota not covering it, the only reason I think it probably isn't sold in North America as a dealer option, is because , there isn't a big market for it here, same reason they don't offer a turbo diesel or a 105. The few Landcruisers that come to the US are marketed as fully loaded luxury vehicles. Not the case in other parts of the world like Australia where they sell far more Landcruisers
The way I see it is Toyota designed theyre brackets and bullbar to work at the same crush rate as the cheap bumper, they have crash tested it, unless gravity is different in the Southern hemisphere a crush rate is a crush rate. That and the fact that I haven't seen anything stateing "not for use in North America" or "for offroad use only". So perhaps I spent $300 to $400 more than I would have with an ARB or TJM , but I think it's defintely worth it.
Here is a pic from autotrader.com.au with the bar.