Swing-out tyre carrier on OEM bumper?
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I was just looking at auxiliary tanks on longrangeamerica and saw this bar that works with the OEM bumper:
Kaymar and Outback Accessories both make a tire carrier that allows one to maintain the stock plastic bumper, albeit with some modifications:
Kaymar 4x4 Rear Bars and Accessories
Kaymar is Australia's premier designer and manufacturer of the world's most innovative range of rear bars, spare wheel and jerrycan carriers and accessories for 4x4 vehicleswww.kaymar.com.au
Can anyone share their experience or install details for the Kaymar tire carrier on stock bumper??
We had the option for OEM Toyota tire carriers on some of our GCC model cruisers but I'm not a big fan on how they are installed. Requires drilling of body panels and fabricating a reinforced mount with nuts to hold the carrier... and of course a new lower tailgate with latch for the number plate. The Kaymar looks way cleaner too.
Here's more on that option, this is the standalone Kaymar integrated tire carrier swingout, no bumper/bar needed, and doesn't hang far back off the hitch like a Wilco:
Found these pictures off of Facebook.
From what I can gather, this is the Kaymar K20023R Model: Right Hand Side Standalone Tire Carrier for the 2016+ models with Sensors (our US 2016+ model). The pre-2016 model is the K20020R, and you can change the R in either model number for an L, for the Left Hand Side model. They also have a dual jerry can carrier model, as well as non-sensor models for overseas LC200's.
Perhaps @wardharris or @orangefj45 from Long Range America can help with more information on this and ordering. Can't find US pricing anywhere.
More information here:
Toyota 200 Series - Kaymar
Australian designer and manufacturer of the world's toughest rear bars, spare wheel and jerry can holders/carriers for 4x4 vehicles make a hit in USA market
kaymar.com.au
Here's more on that option, this is the standalone Kaymar integrated tire carrier swingout, no bumper/bar needed, and doesn't hang far back off the hitch like a Wilco:
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Found these pictures off of Facebook.
From what I can gather, this is the Kaymar K20023R Model: Right Hand Side Standalone Tire Carrier for the 2016+ models with Sensors (our US 2016+ model). The pre-2016 model is the K20020R, and you can change the R in either model number for an L, for the Left Hand Side model. They also have a dual jerry can carrier model, as well as non-sensor models for overseas LC200's.
Perhaps @wardharris or @orangefj45 from Long Range America can help with more information on this and ordering. Can't find US pricing anywhere.
More information here:
Toyota 200 Series - Kaymar
Australian designer and manufacturer of the world's toughest rear bars, spare wheel and jerry can holders/carriers for 4x4 vehicles make a hit in USA market
Unless my eyes are deceiving me, this appears to be a different product; or maybe Kaymar is now offering a single tire carrier that orients the spare tire in the center of the bumper?
I say that as the latch handle is on the right side of the bumper, but the tire appears to located in the center of the vehicle’s rear hatch. From what I can gather via photos (I’ve never seen one in person), the Kaymar tire carriers (left and right variants) allow fitment of two roughly stock-sized spares on the rear of the vehicle - due to this, the tail lamps are generally blocked; thus the need to install their supplied aux indicator LEDs below the tire on the OEM bumper skin. The vehicle in the photos appears to be missing those indicators as well.
If a center mount carrier is available from Kaymar, this is great news, IMO.
See below photos illustrating my above comments. Notice how the tires mounted via Kaymar’s tire carrier, regardless of L/R orientation, block the view of the corresponding tail lamp (unlike the above photos).
Here's more on that option, this is the standalone Kaymar integrated tire carrier swingout, no bumper/bar needed, and doesn't hang far back off the hitch like a Wilco:
Found these pictures off of Facebook.
From what I can gather, this is the Kaymar K20023R Model: Right Hand Side Standalone Tire Carrier for the 2016+ models with Sensors (our US 2016+ model). The pre-2016 model is the K20020R, and you can change the R in either model number for an L, for the Left Hand Side model. They also have a dual jerry can carrier model, as well as non-sensor models for overseas LC200's.
Perhaps @wardharris or @orangefj45 from Long Range America can help with more information on this and ordering. Can't find US pricing anywhere.
More information here:
Toyota 200 Series - Kaymar
Australian designer and manufacturer of the world's toughest rear bars, spare wheel and jerry can holders/carriers for 4x4 vehicles make a hit in USA market
This is exactly what I'm looking for.. but information is scarce. Can't tell if there's a difference for the kaymar bumper tire carriers vs non-bumper (i.e. oem plastic bumper) standalone tire carrier. Anyone still selling these?
@wardharris or @orangefj45 feel free to jump in
Here's Kaymar's Catalog below. Page 17 (Page 8 of PDF) and Page 30 (Page 15 of PDF) have the products in question, with images of each, as well as other options throughout the pages. Perhaps this can help further identify the proper products and if it's the right fit, maybe the model numbers I listed earlier are inaccurate. Lot of different options and configurations.
Kaymar Catalog
I jumped down this rabbit hole last year. I just need a way to carry a couple fuel cans and figured the Kaymar swingout would fill this need perfectly.
I was told that for US trucks, the bar was needed and you couldn't just use the swingouts without it. Not sure if the bar was needed for mechanical support or only to move the tail lights and parking sensors. I was under the impression it had to do with the parking sensors. As mentioned, not much info out there on this.
Very interested in what you find as I am very interested in fitting one or two swingouts without the complexity and expense of a full bumper.
I was told that for US trucks, the bar was needed and you couldn't just use the swingouts without it. Not sure if the bar was needed for mechanical support or only to move the tail lights and parking sensors. I was under the impression it had to do with the parking sensors. As mentioned, not much info out there on this.
Very interested in what you find as I am very interested in fitting one or two swingouts without the complexity and expense of a full bumper.
CharlieS
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I've always figured getting the tire out from underneath had to do with adding a larger aux tank or increasing rear departure angle.
I'm sure there are other reasons to use a swing out tire carrier? Can anyone share theirs? I see carrying jerry cans is one from @sdnative.
A downside I can see to these tire carriers that keep the stock bumper is that it maintains the poor departure angle. The scraping of bumper plastic on trails is what drove me over the edge to a rear bumper/swingout (I only have a 12/5 LRA tank). From my point of view, having the spare tire under the vehicle is a much better solution.
I'm sure there are other reasons to use a swing out tire carrier? Can anyone share theirs? I see carrying jerry cans is one from @sdnative.
A downside I can see to these tire carriers that keep the stock bumper is that it maintains the poor departure angle. The scraping of bumper plastic on trails is what drove me over the edge to a rear bumper/swingout (I only have a 12/5 LRA tank). From my point of view, having the spare tire under the vehicle is a much better solution.
I just to carry more water for our trips as I do on the 4runner now.. so either swing out jerry cans, or tire carrier (bonus as it also carries the trasheroo bag) and fab a water tank for the spare location. Don't want/ need the added weight of a bumper.
AHC suspension set on high usually solves the clearance issue for me
Depending on the functionality you're looking from the swingout, I think a Kuat Pivot v2 could work well as a core. It's got a flat swingout beam top that could be drilled and tapped to mount various carriers or boxes. It has a standard hitch receiver that could be used for a hitch wheel carrier. From the dimensions, this looks great, but I'm not 100% sure as I haven't used one personally. 250lb capacity so it's not a burly as some of the off-road specific carriers.
Having fabbed a homebrew solution, the 200-series has pretty tight clearance requirements between the high hitch, and tailgate. Can't have locks/latches/handles on the beam top otherwise it won't clear the tailgate, especially if mounting the contraptions tight and close to the rear bumper to maximize departure. Tailgate clearance is probably why many of the products aren't compatible with the 200-series.
I have mine pretty dialed. Might still expand it to integrate a foldout tailgate table. Add a second tier for a small cargo basket (hold propane/firewood) and place to strap a trasheroo.
Having fabbed a homebrew solution, the 200-series has pretty tight clearance requirements between the high hitch, and tailgate. Can't have locks/latches/handles on the beam top otherwise it won't clear the tailgate, especially if mounting the contraptions tight and close to the rear bumper to maximize departure. Tailgate clearance is probably why many of the products aren't compatible with the 200-series.
I have mine pretty dialed. Might still expand it to integrate a foldout tailgate table. Add a second tier for a small cargo basket (hold propane/firewood) and place to strap a trasheroo.
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I really want to mr. gadget my rear end eventually myself mostly for gas cans and other things i obviously need out of the cabin.
Ive been passively looking at all the options and as far as I know there are no rear spare carriers that will clear the top hatch without swingout.
Is this true? Im guessing it is not up to DOT code for a tire to be that low and interfere with bumper / collision requirements?
But then again we have all sorts of hitches and accessories that would do the same thing.
My "plan" is for an OEM subtank, skinny steelie spare, and full size spare rear carried along with 2 jerry cans. I would put on for outings and remove as needed.
Rigd is ideal for this with the integrated accessories mounted behind the spare but seems like all of them have issues one way or another with clearances.
Not to mentions cameras, sensors, and liftgate.
Seeing these things mounted seems like the only way to tell without having full technical drawings of the vehicle, lift-gate operation and all the variety of swing outs and tire sizes etc.
Are you disabling the park distance control whenever thats mounted?
I can’t speak for anyone else, but a LRA tank (40 gallon, ideally) would definitely be the driver for moving the spare from under the 200. The ability to have 900-1,000+ miles of range — with no external jerry cans or requirement to stop and dump a jerry can in the tank — is an attractive proposition. It also keeps all of the weight for that fuel low between the frame rails.
I like the idea of the single swing-out tire carrier, like what Kaymar offers, as a full-blown rear replacement bumper (like Slee or the Kaymar rear bar) is overkill for my needs. However, like you mentioned, a swing-out carrier that utilizes the OEM bumper skin offers no benefit in rear departure angle.
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An added bonus with a rear mounted tire carrier is that it provides some real estate for what I would label dirty/soiled cargo items, ex: Maxtrax, Trasharoo, etc. This would keep the roof rack available for a tent, or simply barren to improve aerodynamics/MPGs.
When I eventually install a rear swing-out tire carrier, my plan is to mount a set of Maxtrax and a Trasharoo on it for trips. I also like the idea of ratcheting on some steps for roof rack access.
Some photos to illustrate the functionality I’m referencing:
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I two bucket hand wash and touch-less dry my corrected ceramic coated truck. Idk if im ready for kids.
Those fine sand clearcoat etched fingerpainted drawings though? Priceless.
Yeah, I know what you mean, but kids mellow you out with that kind of stuff.
I like the finger art as well. My daughter drew a bunch of little pink hearts with sidewalk chalk on my tire sidewalls a few months back
; definitely took a -5 horsepower drop until they washed off in the rain.
TheLCProject
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I've ordered the Kaymar K20010L from LongRangeAmerica which is described as:
Armour:LC200 Kaymar
Standard Tire Carrier
LHS- fits factory LC200
Rear Bumper.
LC200 Kaymar
Standard Tire Carrier
LHS- fits factory LC200
Rear Bumper.
It does not require the full bar and adapts into the factory bumper.
We will see how it fits on the LX570. There'd be issues with AHC interference on the passenger side but the driver side should be clear. Hopefully it arrives in February.
Armour:LC200 Kaymar
Standard Tire Carrier
LHS- fits factory LC200
Rear Bumper.
LC200 Kaymar
Standard Tire Carrier
LHS- fits factory LC200
Rear Bumper.
It does not require the full bar and adapts into the factory bumper.
We will see how it fits on the LX570. There'd be issues with AHC interference on the passenger side but the driver side should be clear. Hopefully it arrives in February.
Very cool and good on you for taking the plunge with installing it on an LX. Seems like uncharted waters.
Post a install thread with some photos, if you have time.
Nice! It'll be good to have another verified fitment for the LX.
Interesting accessories for the spare tire. Can't deny that the rear mounted spare completes the expedition look.
To play devils advocate a bit on weight, it's all too easy to keep tossing the biggest tank and accessories on the rig. At some point, it compromises a well rounded, great performing and durable vehicle on account of weight. An LRA 40 gallon tank is something like 100lbs tank + (40gallons * 6lbs/gallon) or about 350lbs. That represents just over 20% of the vehicle payload committed to gas. Then add the rear bumper, carrier, etc...
Just saying that it's worthwhile to account for weight in building any car as it's all too easy to go down the path of building a compromised tool that may not work as well in the end.
