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I think you've touched on the salient point here. My plastic key fobs last at least 10 years and give several months notice of impending failure. I think the whole durability argument is just a ruse to get an $80 expenditure for a key past the wives. And then the ruse has to be carried over to Mud just in case the suspicious wife should ever log on to the forum. At least that's the explanation that makes the most sense to me.

If you're getting 10 years out of multiple OEM 100 series remotes you need to share your secrets. I went through 3 in around 18 months and the previous owner gave up on the remote key altogether after breaking many.

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Tks for the response. How would I accomplish that ?

I *think* the master key will turn off the security light when inserted into the ignition (but not turned), while the valet key will leave the security light flashing until turning the ignition.
 
Comparing apples to oranges.

YotaMD is a boutique high end product.
It feels fantastic. You are paying for the metal/engineering/built quality/durability. If you have the $ get it. It feels great every time I turn the ignition.

Personally, I justified the expense because I like supporting American Small Businesses and rewarding people that make legit high end well engineered stuff. Also, I touch it on a daily basis so it’s worth the $ for me.
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Whole different class of Equiptment.

My RX gets the Amazon Key, seldom used. Cheap injected plastic see below. Not sexy but gets the job done.
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Ok, quick question...why Titanium? Why not a more affordable metal like aluminum or stainless steel?

Is it for the sole purpose of making a premium product with higher profit margins? Or does it actually have a working advantage over all other options?
 
You know, buying an SUV like an LX470/570 is pretty ridiculous. I mean, why pay $10k for a 18-20y/o car or $90k for a brand new one??? You can buy a 20y/o Tahoe for a couple grand and my local Kia dealership sells SUVs for $30 brand new. I tell you, it’s like just throwing your money away.

LOL, speaking a little sarcastically here. This “I can get something for way less” argument always drives me nuts. There are high end items and much cheaper items for everything you buy. But, almost every time, there’s a reason something costs more. Buy what you want. If you want a key that never breaks, buy suprarx7nut’s shell. If you want to save money and possibly buy multiple shells, go amazon. Personally, I’m still using the transponder after mine broke after 16 years. I’ll upgrade to the unbreakable one soon.
 
You know, buying an SUV like an LX470/570 is pretty ridiculous. I mean, why pay $10k for a 18-20y/o car or $90k for a brand new one??? You can buy a 20y/o Tahoe for a couple grand and my local Kia dealership sells SUVs for $30 brand new. I tell you, it’s like just throwing your money away.

LOL, speaking a little sarcastically here. This “I can get something for way less” argument always drives me nuts. There are high end items and much cheaper items for everything you buy. But, almost every time, there’s a reason something costs more. Buy what you want. If you want a key that never breaks, buy suprarx7nut’s shell. If you want to save money and possibly buy multiple shells, go amazon. Personally, I’m still using the transponder after mine broke after 16 years. I’ll upgrade to the unbreakable one soon.


The argument that it's a more expensive SUV therefore I should be buying an expensive key to make it start is a bit ridiculous as well. It's more expensive because it is built to last....except the key isn't.

Heater Ts are cheaper to buy a metal T that is stronger than OEM plastic. There's a common example.

Moving on, before I drop the money, I want to understand why I shoukd. I think that is pretty reasonable, don't you? Did you look into Land Cruisers before you just hopped on board? Or did you just say, "well it's the most expensive so it must be the best"? If that's the case why didn't you end up in the Mercedes-Benz G class? It is more expensive after all.
 
Stout and old school... Corolla key with YotaMD fob.
 
Ok, quick question...why Titanium? Why not a more affordable metal like aluminum or stainless steel?

Is it for the sole purpose of making a premium product with higher profit margins? Or does it actually have a working advantage over all other options?

It started with all the working advantages and then I realized there was a marketing advantage as well and the decision was made. I went with titanium (grade 5) initially because:

1. It's incredibly corrosion resistant.
2. It's lighter than a stainless steel.
3. It's far stronger than aluminum and most other readily available metals.
4. It cuts REALLY well with water or laser so it's easier to maintain my "aerospace/medical grade tolerances."
5. The added material cost is a tiny portion of the overall product cost.

Aluminum: If I used aluminum, I'm not sure it would be strong enough. Aluminum wears over time. I want these lasting decades so Aluminum is out.

Stainless steel: Assuming 316, it is less expensive, but not by much. I think I'd cut my costs on the product by about $3 each. The reduction is customer pricing wouldn't be much more than that. I pay more for the machining services than I do the Titanium. The shell actually costs me more than the Titanium AND cutting services combined because there are so few printing machines capable of this high-end printing out there. Each printer I use costs $250k-$1M. There are only a few around the world that offer third party commercial printing and I don't order enough to get deep discounting on the jobs I order.

There's also definitely a marketing benefit with Titanium. Titanium is a better metal, period. When products are made from real, grade 5 or higher, titanium it's a sign that the product is worth the best metal around. It grabs attention. The point number 4 above isn't my saying, that's from two vendors. They told me I'm asking for medical/aerospace grade tolerances and edge finish and that they'd have a hard time. When I approach new vendors that's the first question I get: "Tight tolerance grade 5 Titanium parts and "MD" and the end of the business name - Is this for medial use, maybe aerospace?" They're always a bit thrown off when I tell them, "No it's actually to improve a Toyota key."

It's an expensive item, I know. But look at the response from anybody that's bought one and they'll say the same thing over and over and over: "Totally worth it." It's highly refined and I don't think you'll find a better value "mod" or "upgrade" for your car. It's satisfying every time you grab your keys.

Jeez, that response got away from me. Sorry for the wall of text.
 
Thank you for the response. That's what I call in my profession "selling the value" and it is very helpful. I'm still weighing my options, but there aren't many and your key is more and more appealing.

What's the turnaround time from ordering to receiving typically?
 
Thank you for the response. That's what I call in my profession "selling the value" and it is very helpful. I'm still weighing my options, but there aren't many and your key is more and more appealing.

What's the turnaround time from ordering to receiving typically?

For most orders, 5-10 business days from order to delivery in the US. I use USPS first class parcel shipping and it ships from Colorado. Most areas are a 3 day delivery from when I ship, but it can vary. I try to ship within a couple days, but sometimes life, day job, or low inventory get in the way and I have to wait up to a week.
 
I’m ordering my second YotaMd key to replace the key+fob sold on amazon. It is my spare key so it rarely gets used but I really liked the idea of the orange case for easy locating. A little worried about ruining a newly cut key that isn’t the oem to see if it fits as snug but getting a key cut is the easy part - the hard part was getting the new Fob programmed which is done. Great product.
 
Also, good job marketing to ih8mud for conveniently merging my thread with this one .

Not marketing at all, keeping tech clean and not having a new thread started every time when there's current threads you can just add to. Keeps all the info in one place.
 
Local locksmith did me great on my cheap extra key. I was getting some services and we were just talking houses and cars. They I mentioned that we needed a spare.

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