Sticky Fuel Gauge Fix

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My fuel gauge was stuck on above full. It is very nice always driving around with a full tank of gas in a gas guzzler, but not very safe. So i decided to see if my fuel gauge sending unit located inside the gas tank was sticking. THis was a very simple process to get to the access hatch. Remove the rear seats. Remove the little steps located next too the seats. Pull the carpet back. Remove the hatch cover by removing the three phillips screws. Disconnect the fuel line, being very careful not to damage or lose the two washers on the fuel line. Remove the final 8 (i think) phillips screws, and carefully remove the assembly from the tank. Be careful as there is an insulated line that rubs the edge of the tank opening and is easily cut or torn. Put it all back together. :flipoff2:

It's about a :banana: job.
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Yep, if it wouldn't have worked, i wouldn't have posted. Plus, i figured someone might want to see a picture of how to get to the fuel pump ect...
 
Okay, mine was stuck at about a quarter of a tank. I bought a new fuel sender, disassembled mine as you described (wish I would have seen this post first, I searched fuel sender and fuel gage, not gauge) put it all back together (did not install the new sending unit) cause it started working again. I returned the new sending unit to the dealer as I didn't even open it.

Now my wife tells me the gage never goes below 3/4 of a tank. Sure enough we took a 900 mile road trip this past weekend and the gage only moves between full and 3/4 of a tank.

Any ideas on how to fix it/what to look at when I pull it this time? I should probably just go back and get the new sending unit and install it, but I had to almost threaten to kick the parts monkey's ass to get him to take "an electrical component" back and he tried to charge ma 20% re-stocking fee.

I will dis-assemble/re-assemble one more time then call Cdan
 
Mine stuck once more after a hard wheelin' trip, so i did the same thing again this time jiggling the arms and such when i took it out to make sure nothing was stuck. Put it back in and fixed. I just hope this doesn't happen every time i go up kodak rock.
 
Typically there's a needle arm at the end of the floater that contacts within a range of a resistive fine coil (which determines approx. the fuel level). Make sure this contact is smooth, touching, but without any catching on the coil as you slowly move the floater up & down (sometimes you'd need to bend this needle a bit). I'd use a soft toothbrush to clean out all the debris that may adhere to the coil contact.
 
Thanks. This happened after I "rode" a rock from bumper-to-bumper. It's not too difficult to pull and "jiggle" but time is something I don't seem to have enough of. Plus my wife doesn't like me taking her 80 down and leaving her with the 45 to drive.
 
Okay...this has gone on for almost 6 months now. I pull the thing out and move the float up and down and the gage responds. I put it all back together and button it up and the gage "sticks." It will go to full (if the tank is full) and then hang up at either 3/4 or 1/4. I talked to some Toyota mechanics at the local dealer and they said it's the sender. I was reluctant to spend the $90.00 for the sender so I pulled it apart 3-4 times over the last 6 months but haven't had any luck.

I finally broke down and spent the $90.00 and replaced it this past weekend. The tank was empty (low fuel light still works) but the gage was "stuck" at 3/4. I finished and the gage dropped down to empty. Whew! fixed it!....My wife filled her tank up yesterday and tells me that the gage didnt' move.

Aaaahh! Does any one have a wiring schematic of the fuel sending unit for a '95 80 series? And/or a trouble shooting guide from the FSM? I know, I need to buy one, but I don't want to pay the $125.00 retail for it. (Did I mention I'm a cheap bastard?)

The only thing I can figure is it's grounding out somewhere where it's not supposed to. I crawled under it to see if the rock dented in the tank but all I found was a good size scrape on the skid plate.

I guess I'll pull the skid plate and check the tank mounts and pull the sending unit for the 5th time...ANyone need a "slightly used" sending unit?

Dan
 
Owyhee Jackass said:
Aaaahh! Does any one have a wiring schematic of the fuel sending unit for a '95 80 series? And/or a trouble shooting guide from the FSM? I know, I need to buy one, but I don't want to pay the $125.00 retail for it. (Did I mention I'm a cheap bastard?)

Cheap Bastard,
Unless you are both a Cheap Bastard and a Lazy A-Hole then spend $10 to download the FSM for your '95 from TIS and while you're at it, pull down the EWD and all of the other manuals. There are several threads describing how to do it.

-B-
 
*just noticed this was for an 80 - mine is a 100 - please disregard.
 
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Beowulf said:
Cheap Bastard,
Unless you are both a Cheap Bastard and a Lazy A-Hole then spend $10 to download the FSM for your '95 from TIS and while you're at it, pull down the EWD and all of the other manuals. There are several threads describing how to do it.

-B-

Yeah, I'm both.

Thanks for the help.

Dan
 
Cheap Bastard,

This is from the '97 Land Cruiser EWD.

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Mines doing the samething. I've pulled my fuel pump out so many times i can't remember. Replaced the sending unit. It's still stuck. Counting mileage...
 
I may have a solution. I was going to post my findings in a new thread but I guess I will let the cat out of the bag; This is a "bit" long - so skip to the bottom for the PUNCH LINE, is so inclined.

I was troubleshooting my "Low Fuel Level" idiot light and came upon a failure that is very interesting. But let me digress a moment and breifly explain the workings of the fuel sensors; Two sensors, one which provides a variable resistance (via a float) to drive the dashboard needle, and one which lights up the idiot light. The latter works on the principle that the low fuel sensor conducts (i.e. low resistance, or short) when not submerged in fuel and does not conduct (high resistance or open) when in fuel.

My low fuel idiot light had been lit for about 100,000 miles. Ignored it until me and (unfortunately) the wife-e-poo ran out of gas in a (steep sided) canyon highway at rush hour (insert female-generated expliatives HERE). Did I mention NO CELL SERVICE ? AT DUSK...... CRAP - now I have to fix the damn thing soon.........

A few days later......Pulled rear seats, pulled cover plate, disconnected connector and found short on the low fuel sensor connections (I believe pins 1&5 - check FSM). Since the tank was 1/2 full this indicates a bad sensor -or so I thought. Ordered new sensors from C-Dan.
NOTE: both the Low Fuel Light sensor and the Variable Tank Level sensor come together as one part. Fast forward 1 week, installed new sensor and gosh darn if the low fuel warning light is still lit.

Well at this point there is a short, but where ??? Again, even with a new sensor, at the connector going to the fuel tank, a short is indicated across the low fuel light sensor connectors. POSSIBILITIES 1) C-Dan gave me a bad sensor?, 2) The 10" of wire or the connector outside the tank is bad?, 3) A short inside the tank?

>>>> SAFETY WARNING - Don't try this next "in truck" trouble shooting in your garage, or with a truck you would dearly miss, should it (and you) explode in a lethal mix of electricity and gasoline. I took a bunch of precautions (did it outside, covered up the big hole in tank where pump frame bolts, opened all the truck doors, used special insulated test leads......)

To find out I removed the sensors from the pump frame (this is the tank coverplate through which the wires for the sensors and fuel pump pass). I connected the fuel sensor (using micro grabber test leads) to the connector side leading to the dash. With small pail of fuel I observed that the sensor worked as designed - with sensor submerged the light went out. Possibility 1) dismissed (C-Dan's part is vindicated !). That leaves the 10" wire, the connector, or something inside the tank. Using VOM I determined the cause.......

PUNCH LINE: There are five penetrations through the lid of the pump frame. These seal fuel from getting out - but allow the electrical wires to get into the tank. Using a VOM (Volt-Ohm Meter) I determined that THE PENETRATION TO THE TANK FOR THE (high side) FUEL LOW WARNING LIGHT WAS GROUNDED TO THE PUMP FRAME (lid), thereby effectively grounding the Fuel Low Warning Light and causing the low fuel warning lamp to stay lit !

I slightly twisted the offending penetration terminal back and forth 10 degtees and the ground went away! Upon reassembly, after a few days driving, the ground reappeared, indicating that the electrical penetration has deteriorated. I have oredered a new Pump Frame from C-Dan.

TAKEWAYS: 1) This same failure mechanism could occur on the terminal that is used for the varible fuel level sensor (fuel gauge) - hence making the indicated level incorrect. 2) I do not believe that this type of grounding would leave you stranded, i.e. it would not affect the Fuel Pump, which also uses the same type of electrical penetrations into the gas tank, but a a higher amperage. The reason for this is I believe the failure mechanism applies to low amperage circuits such as what the fuel sensor operate on.

Hope this helps you guys with fuel sensor problems - and keep you out of trouble with your wife-e-poos / significant others.
 
You sure are handy, Al. Good stuff.
 
I figured it has to be a ground somewhere, where it's not supposed to be. I am gong to pull it and check the sender with a multimeter next...just to need find the time.

BTW how much was the new frame from Dan? Any market for a "slightly used" fuel sender? Sounds like there are at least three of us with spares.
 

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