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Oh a good job on the bushing, they're a PITA even with air tools.
Steering rack / bushing opinions (1 Viewer)
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Hi guys just wondering what sort of things a tell signs bushes a worn ??.My allignment shop told me mine need replacing, but not sure as car drives fine and steering is nice and smooth no sounds or clunk's.Thanks.
2001LC
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Typically when making a turn, the steering wheel doesn't come back to level at first (it lags). You turn left and it stays left then you turn right and it stay right for a short period of time. The longer the period the more worn the bushings
Also we get wandering while driving down the highway. But don't let improperly set up rake (front lower than rear or rather not), bad tires or alignment fool you.
It's important to make sure rack is not leaking, gears not worn, TRE ball joint, lower & upper ball joint and UCA & LWC are all in good condition.
Also the movement you see in OP video is actually normal for the rack. We have oblong metal bushing to allow for side to side movement. This is in -03-07.
What happens in most case is the rubber bushing become ripped, which in part is due to drying out, crack and fail. These get sloppy as does steering. Keep in mind this is video of 03-07, but principle is the same in 98-02.
Also we get wandering while driving down the highway. But don't let improperly set up rake (front lower than rear or rather not), bad tires or alignment fool you.
It's important to make sure rack is not leaking, gears not worn, TRE ball joint, lower & upper ball joint and UCA & LWC are all in good condition.
Also the movement you see in OP video is actually normal for the rack. We have oblong metal bushing to allow for side to side movement. This is in -03-07.
What happens in most case is the rubber bushing become ripped, which in part is due to drying out, crack and fail. These get sloppy as does steering. Keep in mind this is video of 03-07, but principle is the same in 98-02.
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2001LC
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I don't recall your year rig or model. Be good idea to add to your signature. Here instruction for 03-07.
Here some 98- 02 shots with "D" bushing on PS (RH) and two bolts hold two bushing on DS (LH) in USA.
Some movement is normal as steering rack rubber bushing are design to take up shock. So this is just one more clue as to health of rubber bushing.
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Exactly what mine was doing b4 I replaced. My rack was in need of replacement, so I added whiteline poly bushings. Handles very well now.
Did the Whitelines change the steering feel a lot? More vibration maybe? I have used whiteline before in some cars. Nice but very firm.
I have not experienced any vibration in the steering wheel. They made the steering feel more precise.
For reference, 1998 with the old style bushings
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I went with the Whiteline and am pleased with the results. Steering is much more responsive. Definitely get an air chisel for 03+. I also had trouble getting the two bolts back into the oil filter cooler housing.
Thanks for the feedback.I have 2001 lx 470 I will try and test it out today.I was wondering if there was suppose to be some movement like you said and video shown.
I did the test and pretty much when I turn either side the steering wheel comes back to centre right away fast only the last little bit slower.
Old post, but I have a question...would bad bushings cause a rattle (feel loose) when hitting a pothole or a bump? I am trying to determine a rattle noise on my driver side. Not the balljoints or swaybar links. CV joint is in great shape. I was wondering if maybe it was the steering rack bushings or tie rod ends?
Could be wheel bearings, or check your steering column shaft for play: How To: Replace your own Upper Steering Column Shaft
Just had my steering rack bushing replaced with the W13208 Whiteline kit on a (2003 LX 5SPD) and the slop that was experienced while turning is gone. A step below darty but much tighter than previous.
Before I'd feel the steering slightly lag the input from the wheel especially at highway speeds.
Here is what the bushings had left of the rubber (yes its out of focus).
Finally, I did pay someone to do this. I had neither the time, tools or remaining hair follicles to get this done. Shout out to LandCrusier Specialists in Austin, TX.
Before I'd feel the steering slightly lag the input from the wheel especially at highway speeds.
Here is what the bushings had left of the rubber (yes its out of focus).
Finally, I did pay someone to do this. I had neither the time, tools or remaining hair follicles to get this done. Shout out to LandCrusier Specialists in Austin, TX.
Thanks to this forum, found the courage to try this myself on my 03 LX470
My steering would wonder a bit when going straight and I did not feel the road well when turning. Checked the rack and it went side to side pretty bad when turning the wheel.
Air chisel is a must IMHO, don't know what I would do without it.
Took about 3-3.5 hours. Was able to do it without taking the oil filter housing off, just took the filter off and bent the drain channel up to get some more room. Was very tight and not much room to press the new bushings in but I managed somehow.
So if you are contemplating this job buy an air chisel and go for it. Just give yourself plenty of time and if its not going take a breather and come back to it after a break.
Handling is much improved!
My steering would wonder a bit when going straight and I did not feel the road well when turning. Checked the rack and it went side to side pretty bad when turning the wheel.
Air chisel is a must IMHO, don't know what I would do without it.
Took about 3-3.5 hours. Was able to do it without taking the oil filter housing off, just took the filter off and bent the drain channel up to get some more room. Was very tight and not much room to press the new bushings in but I managed somehow.
So if you are contemplating this job buy an air chisel and go for it. Just give yourself plenty of time and if its not going take a breather and come back to it after a break.
Handling is much improved!
Those are the poly bushings, correct?
Do you feel there's a lot of harshness coming through the wheel now? I know it's hard to compare to old, tired bushings.
I've been searching but don't think I've found yet- is there a rubber replacement bushing option for the 03+ racks?
Do you feel there's a lot of harshness coming through the wheel now? I know it's hard to compare to old, tired bushings.
I've been searching but don't think I've found yet- is there a rubber replacement bushing option for the 03+ racks?
Yes, they are poly SuperPro SPF2987K
Hard to tell on the harshness since I just changed them out today and only drove about a mile to see if handling was improved.
I have not seen a rubber bushing replacement kit. There are no OEM bushings since they only come with a new rack as far as I know.
i am concern about that too. been two years since replaced but it feels harsh on "road bumps" like shakey.
Trying this thread before starting a new one.
Steering rack bushings are shot on my 2007. I guess it is a late 2007 because my mechanic says the rack is the 2008 part model and the bushings are not serviceable. Anyone have thoughts on that?
When I replace the rack would a normal 2003+ part fit or am I going to have compatibility issues with other parts? If it does fit would that be the best route or should I just go with 2008 part the truck originally came with?
Steering rack bushings are shot on my 2007. I guess it is a late 2007 because my mechanic says the rack is the 2008 part model and the bushings are not serviceable. Anyone have thoughts on that?
When I replace the rack would a normal 2003+ part fit or am I going to have compatibility issues with other parts? If it does fit would that be the best route or should I just go with 2008 part the truck originally came with?
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No 100 series bushing are serviceable, at Toyota Dealership. Since Toyota does not sell mounting bushing separately from rack & pinion.
Rebuilders, get rubber bushing from China. They work okay, but are a little softer than factory rubber bushings.
According to a rack & pinion rebuilder, that sell rubber mounting bushing on ebay. He did say the 200 series (08-up) bushing are the same size as 100 series 03-07.
We've 5 choices:
The labor to replace mounting bushing is about the same as replacing the whole rack & pinion which come with inner TRE. The difference is parts cost.
If steering rack has one or more other issues, ther than just shot mounting bushings. Like: inner TRE shot or weak, output shaft leaks, play in gear. Best to replace the rack & pinion.
Note: 03-07 Rack & pinion Land Cruiser (non VGRS), are NOT the same as 03-07 LX470 (VRGS). But mounting bushing are the same.
Rebuilders, get rubber bushing from China. They work okay, but are a little softer than factory rubber bushings.
According to a rack & pinion rebuilder, that sell rubber mounting bushing on ebay. He did say the 200 series (08-up) bushing are the same size as 100 series 03-07.
We've 5 choices:
- New OEM rack. Best. Only way to get OEM rubber mounting.
- Rebuilt OEM rack. Depending on who rebuilt and what parts used. But rubber bushing will be from China.
- Aftermarket rack. Must will not last. China junk!
- Aftermarket rubber bushing. China made, at little soft
- Aftermarket poly bushing. Last a lifetime. Transfer shock R&P gears, TRE, ball joint and drivers hand.
The labor to replace mounting bushing is about the same as replacing the whole rack & pinion which come with inner TRE. The difference is parts cost.
If steering rack has one or more other issues, ther than just shot mounting bushings. Like: inner TRE shot or weak, output shaft leaks, play in gear. Best to replace the rack & pinion.
Note: 03-07 Rack & pinion Land Cruiser (non VGRS), are NOT the same as 03-07 LX470 (VRGS). But mounting bushing are the same.
Guys i have purchased a new rack 44250- 66120 because i have a bad experience from fixing non original bushings and all of a sudden i came through this steering rack bushing and i wonder it might be the exact bushings for the lx470 steering rack.
I know guys this would help us a lot if those bushings are identical to the original ones .
Any one can physicaly confirm if this bushing is the identical bushing for the LX470 and landcruisers 100 series.
Part number #4410A621 its a Mitsubishi L200 steering rack bushings.
Need your quick confirmation guys
I know guys this would help us a lot if those bushings are identical to the original ones .
Any one can physicaly confirm if this bushing is the identical bushing for the LX470 and landcruisers 100 series.
Part number #4410A621 its a Mitsubishi L200 steering rack bushings.
Need your quick confirmation guys
