Steering Clunk Diagnosis

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I just had a semi-productive session under the hood of my 1986 FJ60. I have been chasing an abnoxious steering slow=speed steering clunk for several months...New TREs, New Wheel Bearings, New Knuckles...still clunked! I read several threads about the steering shaft being the cause so I took that apart today. For orientation, I am talking about the splined 2-part shaft that goes from the steering gear box to the firewall. I got it unfastened at the splined yoke where it goes to the gear box, and with a little effort, took the male end of the shaft out. In the process, I also took the 14 mm bolt out of the splined yoke at the firewall u-joint as well (bad idea to be discussed later). The male end was dry, dry, dry so I greased it up and also shoved some grease in the hole in the female end (don't get excited guys). Another semi-bad idea. There was too much grease and when I slipped the two parts together, it sealed so well that the air pressure and grease prevented me from getting the shaft back on the steering box. I tried to get some grease out with a coat hanger and a rag but it was slow going. So, I drilled a 1/16 inch hole in the female half of the shaft up toward the firewall end. After that, the two parts went together great as the excess grease came squirting out. I have plans of installing a grease zerk there soon if my grease needle won't work.

But, the removal of the 14 mm bolt from the splined yoke at the firewall was a BIG mistake. The damn bolt would not thread back in; the yoke must be under tension and when the bolt came out, it became mis-aligned. I fought that SOB for an hour and finally did a Rube Goldberg with some US threaded rod to make a temporary hold-fast to get by. Will get a hardened bolt later this week.

However, the test drive revealed that the steering shaft WAS the source of the clunk. I suspect the grease deal is a temporary fix, but it was wonderful to drive without hearing that damn clunk! Will put a zerk in soon.

Lessons:
1. When you have a slow speed steering clunk, consider that the steering shaft needs grease.
2. When you grease that sucker, don't use too much or you will have a fight on your hands that can be solved by drilling a small hole to let the excess grease out. I have a grease needle and will try it in the hole in the future.
3. Do not totally remove the tightening bolt on the upper (firewall) U-joint if at all possible. First of all, it is not necessary to get grease in the problem area. If you must, I would say just loosen it enough to struggle with the removal of the U-joint.
4. Make reference marks on the u-joints so that you can get the shaft on so that the steering wheel will line up straight when you put it back together.
 
good write up.. I have the same problem. DO you reccomend doing it or at least don't remove the 14mm bolt? any pics?
 
Sorry, did not take photos. Mainly because I'm techno-challenged and have never figured out how to post them. All you need to do to get the shaft greased up is to unbolt the one bolt at the u-joint nearest the steering box. If you are lucky like I was, the steering shaft will collapse on itself and you will be able to get the male end out. Grease that sucker up and put it back. Be careful not to overload it with grease because the grease will cause an air-seal inside the female part and you can's push it back on. Thus, I had to drill the little hole. I am desmogged so it was fairly accessible to get to the steering shaft.
 
Stole this pic from NocalFJ60...


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you shouldnt have to unbolt any of that to grease the shaft heartworm,their should be a grease nipple on the shaft.
cheers goldchaser
 
This is a common problem in newer GM trucks. Their fix? Fill the tube with (special GM) grease and compress. Did two or three a week sometimes.

As far as the grease fitting, do all years have it? I think I have seen some steering shafts that don't. Wouldn't be too hard to add though. What grease is recommended, chassis, moly or graphite?
 
sometime the clunk can be the front springs... have a buddy hold the front spring and turn the wheel you will feel it if it ids the springs..commen with lift springs... fix it by spreading some grease in between the leaves.
 
No grease fitting on my 1986 or 1987. I think that it was present on the earlier models though.
Yes, the leaf springs can make a low-speed noise that is similar to the steering shaft noise. Actually, my steering shaft noise was of lower pitch and more of a clunk compared to the leaf spring noise, which was more of a popping. Hell, my rig is an entire percussion section!
 
Rainy and cold in south east Queensland today so I headed for the workshop. My '87 HJ61 has had the steering wheel clunk for a while and so today was the day to do something about it.
I'd done this job on my '84 HJ60 about 3 or 4 years back and it is still clunk free. The early ones do indeed have a grease nipple which makes it a very simple job.
My '87 has a different type of shaft to the '84 and it doesn't have any grease point.
I had considered fitting a grease nipple to the upper end of the shaft but didn't really like the idea for a couple of reasons.
Decided to remove the male part of the spline and grease it and the female part as well.
Only required removal of the spline pinchbolt at the steering box, marking the spline/s and uni joint for correct alignment on re-assembley, and also removal of the three bolts holding the power steering reservoir to allow the shaft to be raised slightly so the male part would come all the way out.
The shaft sections easily compressed far enough to remove the uni from the steering box.
Then the mail part was easily pulled right out, regreased and everything was put back together.
I was carefull to take Heartworms advice about not overgreasing and so had no trouble fully compressing the shafts to allow the uni joint to go back onto the st box. Thanks for that.
Used tacky EP grease.
Clunk now gone!
Didn't time it but I reckon it would have taken about an hour.
 
I have identified this also as the clunk in my 60. Mine is an 85 and has tilt steering. The clunck is in this uni:
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I cannot see any grease nipples on the shaft or uni. What exactly am I looking to do here? Am I to undo the clamp on the bottom uni (steerbox end) remove the shaft and grease it up like that? Any info and pics would be great!!

Thanks, Joel
 
Joel,
The grease nipple is down the other end of the shaft near the steering box.
There's a pressed metal cover which needs to be removed so you can get to the nipple. Just a couple of bolts (3 or 4) to get the top part of the cover off.
That will allow you to grease the spline where most of the clunk usually comes from.
It often feels as though the clunk is in that uni in your photo but usually the clunk is at the spline which is dry, and the jarr can travel right along the shaft and right up into the uni joint.
Hope this helps.
 
Joel,
The grease nipple is down the other end of the shaft near the steering box.
There's a pressed metal cover which needs to be removed so you can get to the nipple. Just a couple of bolts (3 or 4) to get the top part of the cover off.
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As stated earlier, the later model 60's do not have the grease fitting. The shaft needs to be removed as described on the steering box end and the shaft greased lightly.
 
Hank,
Yes that is very true, and if you take a look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I've already stated that.

Also Joel has included a photo in his post which appears to be the earlier shaft which should have the nipple at the lower end.

I own an '84 (with nipple) and an '87 (with no nipple), and have done steering shaft regrease jobs on both, so am aware of the differences.
Cheers
 
Greased her up and the clunk is gone!! Took a fair bit of grease, had no idea there was a nipple under there!

So after fiddling with the steering box, greasing up the shaft and making sure all the balls joints are OK, the steering is now smoooooooooooth. Could maybe eliminate a tad more play via the box but I'm very happy.

Sweet. Thanks Mud.
 
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I know reviving an old thread but that's what search does! Thanks for helping me fix a problem that I had decided to leave until later because I thought it would be difficult!
 
Can’t thank you guys enough. Chased an annoying clunk for a year. Tie rod ends replaced, leaf spring bushings replaced and new silencer pads in springs.
Eventually found this thread and presto....$0.25 worth of grease on the steering shaft and it’s gone.
Thanks again!
 

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