Starting the long fixit list on Kaylee; from neglected to spoiled

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✌️Dave
 
My 2cents on the dieseling. I got my desmogged and had my mechanic install a weber 38. Was dieseling really bad when I got it back and the idle was set hi. I took it back and he opened up the jets a bit and was able to turn the idle down to around 700 where it should be and it does fine now. As far as your carb fan, I dont think you need it at all if you are not using the stock carb. I disconnected mine a long time ago and just have not gotten around to removing it.
 
Part of the dieseling issue is because the Weber carb does not have a circuit for cutting off fuel when the key is turned off, as the OE Aisan carb did; it's called the ICS or Idle Control Solenoid, on the stock Aisan. When hot, fuel will continue to dribble out of the carb, and pulled into the hot engine which will continue to ignite it, in the absence of spark. And Idle set low, will also limit it, somewhat.

You may be able to alleviate the dieseling somewhat with finding and fixing the vacuum leaks and checking for proper desmog, but the only real remedy is either go back to an OE or Aftermarket Land Cruiser clone carb. Other way is to just pop the clutch when she diesels.
 
Hey @Cruiser Cult, we're in Snohomish County. I'd like to hook up with one of those groups, if/when we get a few more gotta-do's off the to do list and actually have room on the calendar for things like going and spending time with friends.

In the meantime, my mission today is to trace out the wiring for the carb fan. I tested it yesterday and didn't get any voltage across the wiring harness side of the carb fan wiring, after firing up Kaylee then turning the engine off again. From my reading that would seem to indicate that either the wire to the sensor was cut or burned through somewhere, or the sensor itself is out. I looked through my new copy of the TSM pdf (a big thank you to @CruiserTrash!) but couldn't find any info on that. Probably because the fan isn't OEM?? Anyway, if someone can describe where that little sensor is located, that would save me the time to hunt it down, and get me sooner on the diagnose-and-fix portion of today's exercise. Thanks all.
Kathryn and Kaylee
 
Hey @Cruiser Cult, we're in Snohomish County. I'd like to hook up with one of those groups, if/when we get a few more gotta-do's off the to do list and actually have room on the calendar for things like going and spending time with friends.

In the meantime, my mission today is to trace out the wiring for the carb fan. I tested it yesterday and didn't get any voltage across the wiring harness side of the carb fan wiring, after firing up Kaylee then turning the engine off again. From my reading that would seem to indicate that either the wire to the sensor was cut or burned through somewhere, or the sensor itself is out. I looked through my new copy of the TSM pdf (a big thank you to @CruiserTrash!) but couldn't find any info on that. Probably because the fan isn't OEM?? Anyway, if someone can describe where that little sensor is located, that would save me the time to hunt it down, and get me sooner on the diagnose-and-fix portion of today's exercise. Thanks all.
Kathryn and Kaylee

Thread 'Mystery Ground Wire!'
Mystery Ground Wire! - https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/mystery-ground-wire.1142148/

Check these photos out for the thermistor wire. If you ground it that will most likely be the issue.

Carb fans motors can also get gunked up. I used to be able to knock the fender where it was an the vibration would help it start to spin up.

I’m in Lake Stevens 👋. There is a good group of Cruiserheads around if you are ever in a place where you need a hand or second set of eyes.

Dave
 
@TLC4K2

Like Dave’s linked thread says, the sensor is located under the manifold hanging off a vent piece of metal. It’s towards the firewall side it’s the only thing in that area that will make you say “this looks like a weird sensor!”

From what I understand you can just take that lead and ground it. That will make the carb fan turn on EVERY time the motor is shut down. If the sensor is working and the wire attached to that, it will turn on when you shut the truck down, but only if the temp is high enough. I have had zero issues running that wire straight to ground and I daily drive my 60.
 
FWIW - I had a Weber 38/38 and it always ran rich. Because there is not an idle/fuel cut solenoid as Spike Strip has said above, it will continue to pump gas into the engine on shut off, and if you have red hot carbon build up in the engine, its going to keep dieseling.

I solved the issue when I got rid of the Weber. It really is the weak link here, in my opinion. I rebuilt my entire intake and exhaust manifold, down to the rings and springs, and did a proper desmog, and still experienced dieseling.

You truly will be better off with an OE carb, or swapping to a Holley EFI system.
 
The OP can buy a cheap CCP made Aisan-clone carburetor replacement that are hit 'n miss on quality, for under $100. Japanese made clone from City Racer for $300 or even a Toyota-boxed Aisan real-McCoy non-usa-and-no-smog replacement for $800.
 
Hey everyone, thanks for the input on the dieseling. It's definitely near the top of my annoyance list, as is the hard hot start issue, and I'll keep plugging away with both. Putting an Aisin back on, or even going with a Holley EFI, are both on the table as options.

HOWEVER...........

Today was a big day for Kaylee, a good day with some happy news. But we also have had a big re-sort of priorities. Hubby and I took Kaylee over to the awesome folks at Torfab in Everett, which is only 30min away from us. I had spoken to the Torfab folks about doing a pre-purchase inspection of Kaylee and they'd been game, but the PO lived too far away to drive Kaylee all the way down to Everett without some guarantee of a purchase. And honestly, the PO offered us such a low price on Kaylee (the final purchase price bordered on theft, it really did) that we took the gamble of not doing the inspection beforehand. That being said, we have seen things and become concerned about a few things since purchase which had us feel like a Torfab once-over was a really good idea. Today was that day.

The very best news is that Kaylee is actually in really good shape for being such an old gal. Remarkably little corrosion save for one section which I'll talk about in a minute, generally good mechanicals, generally good interior, and the guy laughed when I said she'd been in Colorado most of her life. His response was "oh, yea, I could tell. Cuz we don't get sun fade like that up here!"

The more sobering news is that Kaylee has an issue smoldering with her steering in particular and front end in general. Her steering knuckle bearings are extremely worn, and the knuckles in general are badly in need of service. It's not a safety issue yet, but it's getting close. And the power steering pump is also on the way out. I had started to suspect issues with the steering because she'd groan and shudder sometimes when I turned the wheel, worse on the right side. And there's a fair amount of side-to-side play in the front wheels. So that work has now gone to the top of the fixit list. Hubby was pouring over the manuals tonight looking at what's involved, and we're probably going to have Torfab do the work. It would be an awesome project to get into, and we'd learn a whole lot about how that truck is put together. That's a lot of why we bought the FJ60, was to be able to do that sort of work. But I just started a new job, hubby is about to change assignments at his, and for the moment we have nothing but a dirt driveway to work on. The real-world logistics were just starting to look ugly. But Torfab would do an awesome job for us way faster, and we'd know it was done right. So that's now the first priority for Kaylee. We're hoping we can get that done within the next few weeks, and Kaylee is on injured reserve status until then.

The other good news is that another concern I had has been laid to rest. I have spent a fair amount of time now crawling around under the rig looking at the frame, and most of it is in surprisingly good shape. But the C- channels behind the rear wheels, and several of those cross-pieces, were starting to look dicey. The further back you go, the worse it got. The cross piece immediately behind the rear bumper looks like it's just been shredded by corrosion, and the bumper itself has a crease in it which has rusted out. I wasn't sure if those problems would doom Kaylee to an early grave. Happily, the answer is "not even close". Turns out, the culprit wasn't corrosion. The cross-piece immediately behind the bumper was damaged a long time ago by the incorrect installation of a trailer hitch. Whoever installed the hitch mounted it directly to that cross-piece, rather than using braces to go out to either side and mount up to the C-channels directly. So that little cross-piece was subjected to all the stresses from that hitch, and all the weight and bouncing around from whatever was being towed. At some point, that metal finally gave and started to crack and warp. Then corrosion kicked in and did the rest. When Torfab saw that, they said yea, they've seen that before, but no worries. They've pretty much worked out a tried-and-true way to cut all that crap out and replace it with new metal such that we get correct structural support and solidity again. He said we'd lose that particular trailer hitch because it was never intended for the FJ60 to begin with, but we could replace it with something better if we wanted. He wasn't concerned at all about the rest of the frame, and it's not even a priority right now. That was a HUGE relief. No more nightmares about having to do a frame swap or hearing that Kaylee wasn't worth saving.

So I'll keep dinking around with the carb until we take Kaylee back in for her front end work. Then after that's done, we'll schedule the frame repair. I'm just relieved to finally have expert eyes go over Kaylee and let us know that yea, we have a solid truck that just needs some help here and there. I'll be sleeping way better tonight.
Kathryn and Kaylee, who is probably heaving a big sigh of relief too
 
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Also, throw out the Haynes manual and get the following Factory Service Manuals (FSMs): Emissions and 2F Engine. There’s an FSM for Body & Chassis that will come in handy down the road for other stuff (like electrical gremlins) but it’s not a top priority. Some people have download links for these in their signature lines, or PM me and I can email them.



 
Hey everyone, thanks for the input on the dieseling. It's definitely near the top of my annoyance list, as is the hard hot start issue, and I'll keep plugging away with both. Putting an Aisin back on, or even going with a Holley EFI, are both on the table as options.

HOWEVER...........

Today was a big day for Kaylee, a good day with some happy news. But we also have had a big re-sort of priorities. Hubby and I took Kaylee over to the awesome folks at Torfab in Everett, which is only 30min away from us. I had spoken to the Torfab folks about doing a pre-purchase inspection of Kaylee and they'd been game, but the PO lived too far away to drive Kaylee all the way down to Everett without some guarantee of a purchase. And honestly, the PO offered us such a low price on Kaylee (the final purchase price bordered on theft, it really did) that we took the gamble of not doing the inspection beforehand. That being said, we have seen things and become concerned about a few things since purchase which had us feel like a Torfab once-over was a really good idea. Today was that day.

The very best news is that Kaylee is actually in really good shape for being such an old gal. Remarkably little corrosion save for one section which I'll talk about in a minute, generally good mechanicals, generally good interior, and the guy laughed when I said she'd been in Colorado most of her life. His response was "oh, yea, I could tell. Cuz we don't get sun fade like that up here!"

The more sobering news is that Kaylee has an issue smoldering with her steering in particular and front end in general. Her steering knuckle bearings are extremely worn, and the knuckles in general are badly in need of service. It's not a safety issue yet, but it's getting close. And the power steering pump is also on the way out. I had started to suspect issues with the steering because she'd groan and shudder sometimes when I turned the wheel, worse on the right side. And there's a fair amount of side-to-side play in the front wheels. So that work has now gone to the top of the fixit list. Hubby was pouring over the manuals tonight looking at what's involved, and we're probably going to have Torfab do the work. It would be an awesome project to get into, and we'd learn a whole lot about how that truck is put together. That's a lot of why we bought the FJ60, was to be able to do that sort of work. But I just started a new job, hubby is about to change assignments at his, and for the moment we have nothing but a dirt driveway to work on. The real-world logistics were just starting to look ugly. But Torfab would do an awesome job for us way faster, and we'd know it was done right. So that's now the first priority for Kaylee. We're hoping we can get that done within the next few weeks, and Kaylee is on injured reserve status until then.

The other good news is that another concern I had has been laid to rest. I have spent a fair amount of time now crawling around under the rig looking at the frame, and most of it is in surprisingly good shape. But the C- channels behind the rear wheels, and several of those cross-pieces, were starting to look dicey. The further back you go, the worse it got. The cross piece immediately behind the rear bumper looks like it's just been shredded by corrosion, and the bumper itself has a crease in it which has rusted out. I wasn't sure if those problems would doom Kaylee to an early grave. Happily, the answer is "not even close". Turns out, the culprit wasn't corrosion. The cross-piece immediately behind the bumper was damaged a long time ago by the incorrect installation of a trailer hitch. Whoever installed the hitch mounted it directly to that cross-piece, rather than using braces to go out to either side and mount up to the C-channels directly. So that little cross-piece was subjected to all the stresses from that hitch, and all the weight and bouncing around from whatever was being towed. At some point, that metal finally gave and started to crack and warp. Then corrosion kicked in and did the rest. When Torfab saw that, they said yea, they've seen that before, but no worries. They've pretty much worked out a tried-and-true way to cut all that crap out and replace it with new metal such that we get correct structural support and solidity again. He said we'd lose that particular trailer hitch because it was never intended for the FJ60 to begin with, but we could replace it with something better if we wanted. He wasn't concerned at all about the rest of the frame, and it's not even a priority right now. That was a HUGE relief. No more nightmares about having to do a frame swap or hearing that Kaylee wasn't worth saving.

So I'll keep dinking around with the carb until we take Kaylee back in for her front end work. Then after that's done, we'll schedule the frame repair. I'm just relieved to finally have expert eyes go over Kaylee and let us know that yea, we have a solid truck that just needs some help here and there. I'll be sleeping way better tonight.
Kathryn and Kaylee, who is probably heaving a big sigh of relief too
Sounds like the truck is in good hands. I will say that having somebody more knowledgeable look at things is a relief - for me anyway. I have no idea what I’m doing haha.

A couple comments:
-Knuckles are easy, messy, and take about 1.5 days the first time around. But if you got $$ it sure would be nice to just have them done.
-Rather than a dented bumper and a replaced crossmember, you could get a new rear bumper, maybe even one with a swing arm tire carrier. Those are made of thick plate steel, bolt to the rear c-channels and provide enough rigidity to act as a crossmember. Doesn’t hurt having MORE back there so if you replace the crossmember anyway it’s not hurting anything. Trail Tailor, 4x4Labs, Kaymar, and others make great 60 Series rear bumpers/tire carriers, some of them even have the option of buying as a kit so you (or a local welder you know) can build them. There’s also a guy here on Mud (“fourrunner”) who sells a kit - that’s the one I have.

Anyway, it’s something to consider
 
Thanks @Gretsch and @CruiserTrash. When we started shopping for Cruisers, we were stoked to be able to do a lot of the work ourselves. You know, that idealistic "won't it be FUN!?!" sort of gazing off into the future. But when we were presented with needing to rebuild her front end NOW, and with the schedule and setup we currently have, it became real clear, real fast that we weren't set up to do the job. The good news is, now we're also talking about how to get set up so that we can do such jobs in the future. That will make future fixit jobs a whole lot easier.
Kathryn and Kaylee
 
Hey everyone, finally got a chance to work on Kaylee this afternoon, and today's project is to replace the driver's side window regulator. Got most of the way through the project and about to put the new regulator into place, but the FSM calls for "multipurpose grease" at the scissor joints and pivot points. The only grease I could find in the house was for plumbing purposes, silicone grease intended for faucets and valve stems. I can hold off with this project and make a run to Napa tomorrow to get the "right" grease if I need to, but is the stuff I have sufficient?

Today's repair soundtrack: Heavy Metal.
Kathryn and Kaylee, who likes to jam
 
Hey everyone, finally got a chance to work on Kaylee this afternoon, and today's project is to replace the driver's side window regulator. Got most of the way through the project and about to put the new regulator into place, but the FSM calls for "multipurpose grease" at the scissor joints and pivot points. The only grease I could find in the house was for plumbing purposes, silicone grease intended for faucets and valve stems. I can hold off with this project and make a run to Napa tomorrow to get the "right" grease if I need to, but is the stuff I have sufficient?

Today's repair soundtrack: Heavy Metal.
Kathryn and Kaylee, who likes to jam
Whatever grease ya got I’d say. What metal are you listening to?
 
Hey @CruiserTrash , hope you're feeling better this week! The soundtrack from the actual movie of course!

HeavyMetal.jpg


Ironically watched that this past weekend. Wow, I forgot what it's like to watch 40 year old animation, drawn by 20-somethings at the time. Yikes. Suffice to say the film hasn't aged very well but the music still sounds awesome.

Back to Kaylee, I looked for a different source of grease for awhile, found some bike grease, but still just didn't like the idea of using something not intended for automotive applications. Maybe that makes me a grease snob. Husband says we have a grease gun somewhere which we've used for zerks on the farm equipment, but I couldn't find that either. We really need to get more organized here. So I ended up just buttoning up my work for the day and we'll pick up some actual automotive grease tomorrow at Napa. Been awhile since I've darkened their door anyway. I'm just pleased that the work has gone pretty smoothly so far (knock on wood). That'll be one project down, dozens left. And we got the call from Torfab to bring her in this coming Friday for the knuckle rebuild. That'll be a HUGE gotta-do crossed off the list.

Looking forward to hearing updates on Matilda!
Kathryn and Kaylee
 
Hey @CruiserTrash , hope you're feeling better this week! The soundtrack from the actual movie of course!

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Ironically watched that this past weekend. Wow, I forgot what it's like to watch 40 year old animation, drawn by 20-somethings at the time. Yikes. Suffice to say the film hasn't aged very well but the music still sounds awesome.

Back to Kaylee, I looked for a different source of grease for awhile, found some bike grease, but still just didn't like the idea of using something not intended for automotive applications. Maybe that makes me a grease snob. Husband says we have a grease gun somewhere which we've used for zerks on the farm equipment, but I couldn't find that either. We really need to get more organized here. So I ended up just buttoning up my work for the day and we'll pick up some actual automotive grease tomorrow at Napa. Been awhile since I've darkened their door anyway. I'm just pleased that the work has gone pretty smoothly so far (knock on wood). That'll be one project down, dozens left. And we got the call from Torfab to bring her in this coming Friday for the knuckle rebuild. That'll be a HUGE gotta-do crossed off the list.

Looking forward to hearing updates on Matilda!
Kathryn and Kaylee
Next weekend go watch buck rogers 😂
 
Next weekend go watch buck rogers 😂
Yowza. I remember enough of that show to know better, thanks. We do appreciate sci-fi, even older sci-fi, but there are some things we just can't watch.

Hey, on another question, and this one is a big one, is it possible/reasonable/plausible for a DIY couple to actually repaint an FJ60? I've been eyeing the hood, hatch, doors and trim pieces thinking gee, I could take that off and repaint it. But then I look at the remaining body shell and all the paint that still needs. Our roof is as bald as bald gets, and I'm not sure how I would prep/paint that. Not to mention removing the windshield to make sure I get any rust that's starting along the frame there. So I go between thinking to do what we can, versus just save up the $$$, take it to an actual body shop or resto service, and have them do it all at the same time. Opinions? Suggestions? Terrifying or rewarding tales of been-there-done-that??
Kathryn and Kaylee, who needs a new outfit at some point
 
Yowza. I remember enough of that show to know better, thanks. We do appreciate sci-fi, even older sci-fi, but there are some things we just can't watch.

Hey, on another question, and this one is a big one, is it possible/reasonable/plausible for a DIY couple to actually repaint an FJ60? I've been eyeing the hood, hatch, doors and trim pieces thinking gee, I could take that off and repaint it. But then I look at the remaining body shell and all the paint that still needs. Our roof is as bald as bald gets, and I'm not sure how I would prep/paint that. Not to mention removing the windshield to make sure I get any rust that's starting along the frame there. So I go between thinking to do what we can, versus just save up the $$$, take it to an actual body shop or resto service, and have them do it all at the same time. Opinions? Suggestions? Terrifying or rewarding tales of been-there-done-that??
Kathryn and Kaylee, who needs a new outfit at some point
Yes you could paint your own cruiser. You need some equipment and you need to decide which paint system to go with…then most of it is prep work. Stripping sanding, cleaning, and repair work etc. i have friends who have painted their own stuff though I’ve yet to try. I know my friends did a lot of practice with laying down the paint so as not to get weird layers, runs, drips etc. the other thing to consider is where you will paint. Dust and debris gets stuck in wet paint very easily so usually paint booths are very clean with good air control. I’ve seen people setup plastic tents to paint in etc. having said all that I’ve also see people use spray cans to paint a car and with enough prep it can look pretty good…I believe you can get epoxy spray cans vs just a can of rustoleum. My roof is bare too and I’ve considered just spraying it to help protect it until the day I can do a proper job.

Probably YouTube is a good place to go for how to get started videos on this.
 
I guess the thing that concerns me the most is the roof. I'm keeping that homemade wooden rack on right now, not so much for the cargo, but simply as a hat to keep the roof at least a little bit protected. But that rack is falling apart too. May have something to do with being plywood exposed to however many years of PNW temperate rainforest climate. Golly, I wonder why it's falling apart. Nevertheless, the one thing I don't want to do is to paint something for short term protection, in such a way that I just make a future high-quality job that much harder. Guess I have more reading to do, and Youtubing (is that a verb?)
Kathryn and Kaylee
 

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