Safari Turbo Source in US? (1 Viewer)

[Leitrum3]

The title kind of says it all. I've been pondering adding a turbo to my 1HZ since I first bought it, and now that I'm starting to rebuild it, the timing would be ideal if I can swing it. I don't have a sense of what turbo kits cost anymore, nor do I know where to source one in the US. So, does anyone have a secret or not so secret source they're willing to share for the Safari Power 1HZ turbo kit for an 80 series? I knew of Outback Imports in Canada, but they've since closed doors/changed hands. Before the topic of different kits comes up, let me just say that I'm more interested in efficiency and longevity understanding that will give me only a moderate power increase. Thanks for any advice!

Leit

 

[ForealBoreal]

Pound for pound the gturbo out does their kit.
www.gturbo.com.au

I have been really happy with mine and he has even made improvements to make them even better.

 

[Leitrum3]

Pound for pound the gturbo out does their kit. www.gturbo.com.au I have been really happy with mine and he has even made improvements to make them even better.

I've heard good things about the gturbo's, but it seems like most people's mods are oriented towards power rather than efficiency. I'm sure I don't have the whole story even though I've read several lengthy threads on turbos in here...

Can you buy everything you need in a kit? I'm not interested in reinventing the DIY route. Any general sense of cost? I also assume the mods would make it pricier?

 

[DanS HJ-45]

I've heard good things about the gturbo's, but it seems like most people's mods are oriented towards power rather than efficiency. I'm sure I don't have the whole story even though I've read several lengthy threads on turbos in here...

Can you buy everything you need in a kit? I'm not interested in reinventing the DIY route. Any general sense of cost? I also assume the mods would make it pricier?

The Gturbo has multiple variations. Some for power, some for lots more power.

You really aren't reinventing much of anything putting the turbo together yourself.

Turbo gets bolted onto exhaust
Oil line gets run from the block to the turbo
Oil pan gets an oil return added to it
Return oil line gets run from the turbo to the pan
*Fabricate piping from air cleaner to turbo inlet
*Fabricate piping from turbo outlet to air inlet
Connect Exhaust to turbo

The steps with the asterisks are the ones that you would be doing just bolting up with a kit. Everything else you have to do anyway. And fabricating some intake piping is really, really straightforward. Some silicone tubing, and MAYBE some aluminum tubing for the longer runs. Maybe.

I wouldn't let the "kit" lull you into too much ease. Both are about as difficult.

Dan

 

[Dougal]

I've heard good things about the gturbo's, but it seems like most people's mods are oriented towards power rather than efficiency. I'm sure I don't have the whole story even though I've read several lengthy threads on turbos in here...

Can you buy everything you need in a kit? I'm not interested in reinventing the DIY route. Any general sense of cost? I also assume the mods would make it pricier?

Power and efficiency with a diesel are the same thing. The only change is how much fuel you put in.
The turbo that can give you the most torque is also the turbo that's the most efficient. Just don't turn the fuel up much if you are worried about your engine and driveline.

 

[TheBigBoy]

^^Thats it. A Gturbo for a hz is by FAR the best option you can get. Spools as early (if not earlier) as the tiny inefficient ones that come in turbo kits. But maintains efficiency in the higher boost range, producing the same boost for less energy loss/heat effortlessly. A Gturbo'd 1hz running 18psi had more power and ran cooler than a full "turbo kit" including a topmount ata intercooler.

 

[mudgudgeon]

The Gturbo has multiple variations. Some for power, some for lots more power.

You really aren't reinventing much of anything putting the turbo together yourself.

Turbo gets bolted onto exhaust
Oil line gets run from the block to the turbo
Oil pan gets an oil return added to it
Return oil line gets run from the turbo to the pan
*Fabricate piping from air cleaner to turbo inlet
*Fabricate piping from turbo outlet to air inlet
Connect Exhaust to turbo

The steps with the asterisks are the ones that you would be doing just bolting up with a kit. Everything else you have to do anyway. And fabricating some intake piping is really, really straightforward. Some silicone tubing, and MAYBE some aluminum tubing for the longer runs. Maybe.

I wouldn't let the "kit" lull you into too much ease. Both are about as difficult.

Dan

You've left a couple of ESSENTIAL items of that list if you're talking 1HZ.

An intercooler is ESSENTIAL for a 1HZ if you want it to live
A tune to safe EGT's and correct AFRs are also ESSENTIAL

After that, a big bore exhaust will improve efficiency and performance significantly too. (almost on the essentials list IMO), then intake plumbing can be improved too.

The thing that will have the biggest negative impact on economy is attached to you at the right ankle

 

[cicak]

You've left a couple of ESSENTIAL items of that list if you're talking 1HZ.

An intercooler is ESSENTIAL for a 1HZ if you want it to live
A tune to safe EGT's and correct AFRs are also ESSENTIAL

After that, a big bore exhaust will improve efficiency and performance significantly too. (almost on the essentials list IMO), then intake plumbing can be improved too.

The thing that will have the biggest negative impact on economy is attached to you at the right ankle

Yup x2

 

[Akella]

Can you buy everything you need in a kit? I'm not interested in reinventing the DIY route. Any general sense of cost? I also assume the mods would make it pricier?

You don't have to reinventing the DIY route, everything was covered here on mud.

If you dont want to do much custom modifications you can get OEM parts from 1HD-T and turbo install will be 95% plug and play. You will only have to use custom oil line from Oil pressure sensor to the turbo and add oil return line to the oil pan.

I have full list if you need it.

 

[Dougal]

You've left a couple of ESSENTIAL items of that list if you're talking 1HZ.

An intercooler is ESSENTIAL for a 1HZ if you want it to live
A tune to safe EGT's and correct AFRs are also ESSENTIAL

After that, a big bore exhaust will improve efficiency and performance significantly too. (almost on the essentials list IMO), then intake plumbing can be improved too.

The thing that will have the biggest negative impact on economy is attached to you at the right ankle

An intercooler is only essential if you're chasing power with big boost. I wouldn't even be recommending one on a fuel economy turbo install.
The tune to safe EGT and AFR (same thing) is handled by the right turbo and an EGT gauge. No different to any other turbo install, just the limits are lower than for other engines.

The stock exhaust will again be fine on a fuel economy tune.

 

[Leitrum3]

Well, if there's one thing I can count on, it's that no matter what I think, MUD will set me straight! I guess the bottom line is there is much to learn still. I'm one step closer after this weekend though, having just pulled the engine for the first time and starting the rebuild. All fingers and toes are still present and functional and I haven't dropped the block yet, I'd call it success so far. ;p

Despite the first thing I said about having my mind made up on a Safari kit (disclaimer: this is all still dependent on a possible promotion so...yeah. ), it sounds like a Gturbo would be a better way to go. I guess what I meant by kit though was more a question of needing to track down all the various parts or if Graeme provides the majority of parts that Dan mentions. I guess if it came down to it, as Dan says, it's not that hard to put together what you need, as long as you know what you need! It's more that I don't definitively know what I need and thus the "kit" idea sounded easier.

You've left a couple of ESSENTIAL items of that list if you're talking 1HZ.

An intercooler is ESSENTIAL for a 1HZ if you want it to live
A tune to safe EGT's and correct AFRs are also ESSENTIAL

After that, a big bore exhaust will improve efficiency and performance significantly too. (almost on the essentials list IMO), then intake plumbing can be improved too.

The thing that will have the biggest negative impact on economy is attached to you at the right ankle

An intercooler is only essential if you're chasing power with big boost. I wouldn't even be recommending one on a fuel economy turbo install.
The tune to safe EGT and AFR (same thing) is handled by the right turbo and an EGT gauge. No different to any other turbo install, just the limits are lower than for other engines.

The stock exhaust will again be fine on a fuel economy tune.

What Mudgudgeon says is ESSENTIAL, I guess I've always considered as IDEAL. If money was no object, or I liked to tow, go fast, or have lots of power, then I would get an intercooler no question. At that point, I'd also reconsider the upgraded thicker crown pistons from Engines Australia for the extra $1000. But, with the idea of not pushing boost past 11 psi on a regular basis in order to keep EGT's low and getting an "efficiency" tune by someone like ATEB, I feel like I could live with a much simpler and cheaper setup. Besides, isn't that what so many other people around the world do with this engine?

You don't have to reinventing the DIY route, everything was covered here on mud.

If you dont want to do much custom modifications you can get OEM parts from 1HD-T and turbo install will be 95% plug and play. You will only have to use custom oil line from Oil pressure sensor to the turbo and add oil return line to the oil pan.

I have full list if you need it.

As per the above comments, I may yet take you up on ordering some things... For the moment I will continue with the education.

 

[ForealBoreal]

You can do this really easy on your own. I managed to do it no big deal but let me tell you it adds up at the end

I highly recommend you fit a boost comp to your fuel pump. It just keeps the smoke in check and doesn't make you smoke like a powerchoke

 

[gbentink]

Hi, this is my first post in many months after opening my new workshop

I do many 1HZ kits and the majority are for lower end peak power for reasons of longevity and injector pump potential. I tend to run more boost and higher AFRS. Std they are close to 16:1, I tend to run around 20-21 at full load.

Intercoolers on this basis arent essential, however very good (front mount). You can reduce the boost (say from 18 down to 15) for a given AFR using an intercooler and this will improve efficiency slightly. And AFR's in the 19-20 range.

Yesterday I drove a 1HZ that I felt wasnt performing to the Gturbo standard to a local company that I outsource some fitment to. He commented how great it drove which is quite funny - hes been in business 12 years in diesel only. So that should give you some idea.

The Gturbo kit includes the oil lines and fittings (feed and drain), the gaskets, the manifold and of course the turbo.

 

[Dougal]

Hi, this is my first post in many months after opening my new workshop

I suspect there is a lot more to this story.

 

[Leitrum3]

Hi, this is my first post in many months after opening my new workshop I do many 1HZ kits and the majority are for lower end peak power for reasons of longevity and injector pump potential. I tend to run more boost and higher AFRS. Std they are close to 16:1, I tend to run around 20-21 at full load. Intercoolers on this basis arent essential, however very good (front mount). You can reduce the boost (say from 18 down to 15) for a given AFR using an intercooler and this will improve efficiency slightly. And AFR's in the 19-20 range. Yesterday I drove a 1HZ that I felt wasnt performing to the Gturbo standard to a local company that I outsource some fitment to. He commented how great it drove which is quite funny - hes been in business 12 years in diesel only. So that should give you some idea. The Gturbo kit includes the oil lines and fittings (feed and drain), the gaskets, the manifold and of course the turbo.

Graeme,
It's looking more and more like I'll be able to turbo my rig while I have it up on the stand and I'll admit I'm feeling pretty swayed by all the consistently positive feedback your work has gotten on Mud. I also checked out your website and like what I see. Since you offer many different kits by the sound of it, what process do you go through to determine the appropriate one or where can I read up on different options? Also, what's the cost for your kits? I believe I read somewhere, but to confirm: if I'm having my IP rebuilt and a boost compensator added, do you have specs you provide to the shop rebuilding so it's tuned to match the turbo? If so, then I'll wait on sending it out til the turbo is actually heading my way. Pretty stoked thinking about a turbo, I look forward to hearing/leaning more.

Leit

 

[ForealBoreal]

Bigboy is now doing custom pumps.
I'll be fitting a 12mm pump at some point in the next few months here when I can manage to get a few other things done.

Honestly with upgraded pistons, a good front mount intercooler, mod the plenum, custom airbox, 12mm pump and a grunter extreme would be an excellent machine.

I would strongly look at that transmission though, seems to be the weak point on these trucks

 

[Leitrum3]

Bigboy is now doing custom pumps. I'll be fitting a 12mm pump at some point in the next few months here when I can manage to get a few other things done. Honestly with upgraded pistons, a good front mount intercooler, mod the plenum, custom airbox, 12mm pump and a grunter extreme would be an excellent machine. I would strongly look at that transmission though, seems to be the weak point on these trucks

Wow, that's an epic list of things to mod or add! Definitely more than I need to start with I think. I've been fairly happy driving gutless and slow diesels for years that don't bat an eye at biodiesel, so even just adding a mediocre turbo is going to be a big upgrade. That said, If I'm going to turbo, I'm definitely not thinking of mediocre. I'll just have to see what it feels like without the inter cooler too, it's a lot to do all at once!

On another note, I do disagree about the transmission -- with the exception that I had something wrong with my valve body not manually staying in 2nd (just got my VB back from Wholesale so I'm sure that's probably resolved now once I finish on the engine and can test it out). Other than going with a MT, I think what I have is about as good as AT's get in these trucks. http://www.automatictransmission.com.au/extreme_a442f.asp

 

[ForealBoreal]

The valve body isn't apparently the issue, the torque converter I thought is the problem, don't know what Rodneys tc is like...

You'll love the 1hz turbo.