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I guess I should have posted an image of what has me so scared on this project

Here is the only image I have of the trouble. I am actually taking delivery on this "little guy" tonight.

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After I get her in my possesion, I'll take some more photos.

You are a brave man talking of handing that rusted chassis to your daugther. I hope there is enough thick metal left under all that rust after you clean it up some. Have you thought of finding a replacement chassis in better shape? Good luck and keep the pics of your progress coming!
 
the frame is in pretty good shape! the first thing I did was closely examine the it, prodded it with an iron bar, flaked away some of the scale rust and everything is solid! If by chance I find some thin areas, I can always graph plate metal to those areas. This is not ear marked for a complete restoration but more of a resto/mod. (the kid thinks she has to be cool with bigger tires etc.:rolleyes: )

Then I leaned against the drivers fender to check the carb and the turn signal fell through the fender.:D

But other than the front floor board the floor pans are solid. I can patch the front pans pretty easy, and the rest of the other body panels in bad shape are either already in my possession, or lined up for delivery.

I can graph them in myself, and they are a lot cheaper in total than a replacement tub.

Although we have had this new little cruiser for a week and little appears to have been done so far, there has been a lot of progress on the collection of parts!

I understand your statement though. not too long ago I would have made the same one and would have walked away from this. but with the help I have (friends) the advice of this as well as other boards, and my growing abilities…this thing should turn out nicely!
 
thanks for your input! so far Zero rust and Rust bullet are winning compared to the other brands I have seen!

I like the idea of the Zero Rust coming in different colors.

Rust Bullet comes in silver and now black.

For a black frame I would get one pint of silver and one pint of black. Do the first coat in silver then do the second coat in black. That way you will get better coverage on the second coat as the silver will easily show through if you have missed a spot.

I did two coats of silver and it was hard to tell where I had painted while doing the second coat. I had to keep touching it to see if was sticky! :D
 
Rust Bullet comes in silver and now black.

For a black frame I would get one pint of silver and one pint of black. Do the first coat in silver then do the second coat in black. That way you will get better coverage on the second coat as the silver will easily show through if you have missed a spot.

I did two coats of silver and it was hard to tell where I had painted while doing the second coat. I had to keep touching it to see if was sticky! :D

Man! you are just full of good ideas aren't you? I might have to travel down to Lexy and visit you for some more advice! I am only about 2.5 hours away up here in Indy!

I was just getting ready to venture over to the Zero Rust site to "scope" everything out!

again, thank you for your suggestions!
 
That's a trick I picked up in the paint forum about spray on primer. Spray the bottom coat one color and the sandable top coat another. That way you know when to STOP sanding! I think it's called a guide coat? I'm sure I'll be finding out all about that soon.

Dude you are welcome to come to Lexington any time! Give me some advance warning and I will buy the beer. :beer:
 
That's a trick I picked up in the paint forum about spray on primer. Spray the bottom coat one color and the sandable top coat another. That way you know when to STOP sanding! I think it's called a guide coat? I'm sure I'll be finding out all about that soon.

Dude you are welcome to come to Lexington any time! Give me some advance warning and I will buy the beer. :beer:

YUp! guide coat! but it is just one of those things you don't think about due to putting so much energy into the details of the project.;) It helps to have "someone" there saying "hey dummy…do it this way and it will be easier" :D

and i will definitely let you know the next time I down that way. Lexington seem to be my sole "port" out of this state lately! Y'all have Shiner beer down there don't you?:confused:
 
:whoops::rolleyes: Don't let small details like that deter you.

:lol: oh! I am not. I actually laughed when it happened!

I have the set of fenders off our other FJ that are perfect, and I was planning on putting tube fenders on the other one anyway so they are basically extra fenders anyway.

But I might just put "tubes" on both of them…just trying to figure out which "kid"/child is going to be the worse driver…at this point, I might put an exo cage and full interior cage around both the Fj's:D
 
Im using a cheap sears sandblasting kit on my 79 that was a similar purchase from new jersey...shoulda known. Its a little awkward, but I highly recommend the $15 northern tool sandblast hood...little warm but keeps your complexion from looking like a teenager w/bad acne. i am wearing out hte spector website ordering replacement parts....problem is mine was so rusty in places, you cant identify the corpse.
 
Im using a cheap sears sandblasting kit on my 79 that was a similar purchase from new jersey...shoulda known. Its a little awkward, but I highly recommend the $15 northern tool sandblast hood...little warm but keeps your complexion from looking like a teenager w/bad acne. i am wearing out hte spector website ordering replacement parts....problem is mine was so rusty in places, you cant identify the corpse.

I picked up a sand blaster that was on sale at harbor frieght this weekend:eek: so I will see how it holds out.

I can't order parts from Spector, I am not that rich :D but I have been wearing out the Ebay pages for used parts!

nice tip on the blasting hood. I haven't started yet so that will be good "pre" advice

plan to "media blast" then treat with either the Zero rust product or rust bullet, still haven't made my mind up yet!
 
yup! rust-oleum is okay for minor stuff like bumpers and stuff, but I would not trust a frame to a "rattle can" or at least not one that was not so "industral".

I thought about some of the other stuff I have seen around. There is a spray type rust catalyst that sounds similar to the Permatex you mentioned. I was trying to weigh between that stuff and/or the Rust Bullet type stuff.

Like you said if you don't get all the rust really well, it will come back. But at this point I am just trying to slow it down until I can do the frame off project a little bit further down the road. But do you think I could use the Rust bullet to eliminate most of the rust, and then the Permatex ontop of that to safe guard the frame for a little while?

Another concern of mine is where am I going to remove the current rust at? I mean I know that if you use a wire brush first and then treat the metal. The wire brush removal makes the rust "air borne" thus can cantiminate other metal in the surrounding area. Which in my case could be very bad. in my garage I have a perfect (no rust) project BMW and just outside the garage sits the other 40 (which has no rust) and my Tacoma that has no major rust on it. I would hate to "spread" the desease to any of my other vehicles. I guess I am going to have to "bag" the 78 before tackling the rust!

(sorry didn't mean to start rambling)

My 2 cents worth: conventional wisdom 1, 2 and 3: it's all in the prep! Do not expect magic from any of the products others have been anecdotally discussing here if you are not committed to the proper prep. Proper prep will make every other product work fine. Goal is to 1. remove effectively any existing rust, 2. neutralize any residual surface rust, 3. replace with new sheet metal any cancerous rust.

To remove rust: sandblasting, electrolysis, or wheel-brushing
To neutralize: metal prep or any phosporic neutralizer at NAPA or other auto parts applied right after you are done removing rust (wash with soap and water, towel or blower dry promptly and then treat metal with rust neutralizer asap). This will buy you a day or two of metal proection until you can then:

apply etch primer
follow with epoxy primer
finish with single-stage glossy black paint

etch primer needs to be coated with epoxy right away, but the epoxy will protect the metal for months until you can do the final coat. If you apply the final coat within 24 hours of the epoxy primer, you won't have to sand the primer coat, but if you wait days to weeks foe the final coat, then you will have to sand first the epoxy layer to give it tooth.

To sandblast a frame it is better/cheaper to take it to a pro. Small body parts free of grease and grime could be stripped of paint by a commercial furniture stripping service using large tanks with a soda mix, but you will still have to snadblast or wheelbrush the rust off.

If you choose to wheel-brush yourself, then do one section at a time through all the steps (sand-->clean-->metal prep/neutralize-->etch prime-->epoxy prime), then do final paint job when it is all completed. If you are on a budget, skip the etch prime and go straigth to epoxy primer.

Hope this helps.
 
por 15 can lid tip

If you use por 15 one tip
pour what you can coat in about 30 minutes in a plastic tub preferably a (recycle #5 type plastic others will melt) and reseal orginal can.
Make sure you first put a grocery plastic bag over the can and then reseal lid.
Even if you clean the can lid lip and reseal lid you will not be able to get it off again. It seals permently.
just put the thin plastic grocery bag between the lid and the top of the can.
this is one tip the auto paint shop gave me and it works great.
you wont have to clean the plastic # 5 container if you use all of it in the container what is left will dry hard after a day and you can just pop it out.
would not recomend letting kids under 15 use the acid stuff, that stuff is mean especially with eyes, use eye protection and gloves
.Debbie:bounce2:
 
that helps a lot! Thanks.

We are basically on the same page. your step by step is exactly how I was taught the "proper" way of doing rust clean up "should be done".

coming from the South/Southwest region of the country, I never really had to worry about actually fighting rust. But since moving to the Midwest, I have learned quick 1.) rust is a part of life 2.) treat it quickly and aggressively.

The latter part also meaning do it the proper way.:D

Now with all that being said, I still would like to do it the cheapest possible way. I have already made certain purchases to do the work myself…a sand blaster, the phosporic acids. and the blasting media. My next question is going to sound really elementary but we all learned at one time right?

For the most part can the sand blasting take place in an enclosed garage? or should it always be done outdoors? Back in Texas all the sand blasters did it out side and I have never been able to watch first hand how to do it or what condition the process left the area upon completion. (I only realized last night that a blasting hood is a good idea while glancing over my eastwood catalog!:doh:
 
I've tried alot of the rust removal gimmicks, and there's just no substitute for taking it off by hand. Whether wire wheel, or sand blasting or both.
 
inside sandblasting is not a good idea, you will end up with sand all over everything and about 1/4 inch coat of dust to boot. Do it outside and use a hood to keep the sand out of your hair, ears and everyother crevis, use gloves also and make sure you use a inline water seperator to get the water out of your lines as it will accumilate as you compressor works and clog the sand up in you gun, thus taking alot of time to stop and unclog. also use clean dry sand.
 
I've tried alot of the rust removal gimmicks, and there's just no substitute for taking it off by hand. Whether wire wheel, or sand blasting or both.

I am not looking for a miricle cure by any means. I still think a good media blasting and galvanized dipping would be the best route, but that is not in the cards!

So the next option would be sand/media blasting and sealient. I just don't know what the best type of sealient to use.
 
what about using walnut shell instead of sand? I read somewhere last night that Aluminum Oxide was the best media for rust removal, but I am a bit afraid of going with such an aggressive media immediately without any experience blasting.

And do you think it would be possible to build a "blasting" booth inside the garage? meaning putting up some construction plastic to protect from the media going everywher? It is already 35º up here and I am afraid doing it outside would distrurb too many of the neighbors.
 

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