Canyonero
Beating up Land Cruisers since 2015
It was the plan from day 1 back in July 2019.
Buy a Jeep Rubicon, run the Rubicon trail.
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Buy a Jeep Rubicon, run the Rubicon trail.
Canyonero
Beating up Land Cruisers since 2015
We did use it once. Great tool for the trail.
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Rob & Rob duo
do you have beefed up skid plates for running the Rubicon? Yes they're pretty capable (i know i have a JKUR with an AEV lift/35s ) but the breakover is not great and the bottom of my jeep shows that. My 80 however breezes thru a bunch of obstacles the Jeep would drag. But otherwise, can't beat the crawl ratio and nimbleness factor.That Jeep is the one vehicle made for the trail without a ton of mods added to it lol.*But it has been sold to make room for the LX600!*
Canyonero
Beating up Land Cruisers since 2015
You've nailed it. The 118" wheelbase of my JLUR causes some belly scrape (especially only on 35's), vs. the 112" wheelbase of every generation of Land Cruiser. Toyota has the Golden Ratio figured out, and I can't disagree with their thinking on that. The Land Cruiser's breakover angle is impressive and it's important because a bad breakover can turtle you in a heartbeat. In fact, the ONE time on the Rubicon where I got stuck was exactly that - I chose a bad line coming off a ledge, turtled myself in the middle of my frame, had to pull my winch and pull myself off the ledge. It was about a 10-minute recovery, but no LCs got stuck there.
Overall, I'd still prefer the Jeep's dimensions, no question. For most rock-crawling scenarios, the approach and departure angles are what matter the most, along with crawl ratio and suspension articulation. The jeep walked a lot of obstacles simply because it could keep 4 wheels on the ground.
My Jeep was 100% stock with the exception of a rear differential skid that I added, a 2" lift, and 35's. As for the scraping in the middle, it's nothing but steel skid plates underneath -from the factory- there's nothing exposed, nothing to get damaged. Looking at my Jeep you would never know it just ran the Rubicon. You're right about the crawl ratio too. I just kept in in 1st gear and let the Jeep tractor over everything, no throttle even needed.
But Land Cruisers rule! Jeeps suck!
Please don't kick me off the forum!
You've nailed it. The 118" wheelbase of my JLUR causes some belly scrape (especially only on 35's), vs. the 112" wheelbase of every generation of Land Cruiser. Toyota has the Golden Ratio figured out, and I can't disagree with their thinking on that. The Land Cruiser's breakover angle is impressive and it's important because a bad breakover can turtle you in a heartbeat. In fact, the ONE time on the Rubicon where I got stuck was exactly that - I chose a bad line coming off a ledge, turtled myself in the middle of my frame, had to pull my winch and pull myself off the ledge. It was about a 10-minute recovery, but no LCs got stuck there.
Overall, I'd still prefer the Jeep's dimensions, no question. For most rock-crawling scenarios, the approach and departure angles are what matter the most, along with crawl ratio and suspension articulation. The jeep walked a lot of obstacles simply because it could keep 4 wheels on the ground.
My Jeep was 100% stock with the exception of a rear differential skid that I added, a 2" lift, and 35's. As for the scraping in the middle, it's nothing but steel skid plates underneath -from the factory- there's nothing exposed, nothing to get damaged. Looking at my Jeep you would never know it just ran the Rubicon. You're right about the crawl ratio too. I just kept in in 1st gear and let the Jeep tractor over everything, no throttle even needed.
But Land Cruisers rule! Jeeps suck!
yep wheelbase and the damn gas tank, stupid Jeep, why?! I know, coz Jeep sucks like you said
. Anyways good luck on the next rig!
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GoldieHahn on the rocks...
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Super excited for the LX600 build and more trails!!!You've nailed it. The 118" wheelbase of my JLUR causes some belly scrape (especially only on 35's), vs. the 112" wheelbase of every generation of Land Cruiser. Toyota has the Golden Ratio figured out, and I can't disagree with their thinking on that. The Land Cruiser's breakover angle is impressive and it's important because a bad breakover can turtle you in a heartbeat. In fact, the ONE time on the Rubicon where I got stuck was exactly that - I chose a bad line coming off a ledge, turtled myself in the middle of my frame, had to pull my winch and pull myself off the ledge. It was about a 10-minute recovery, but no LCs got stuck there.
Overall, I'd still prefer the Jeep's dimensions, no question. For most rock-crawling scenarios, the approach and departure angles are what matter the most, along with crawl ratio and suspension articulation. The jeep walked a lot of obstacles simply because it could keep 4 wheels on the ground.
My Jeep was 100% stock with the exception of a rear differential skid that I added, a 2" lift, and 35's. As for the scraping in the middle, it's nothing but steel skid plates underneath -from the factory- there's nothing exposed, nothing to get damaged. Looking at my Jeep you would never know it just ran the Rubicon. You're right about the crawl ratio too. I just kept in in 1st gear and let the Jeep tractor over everything, no throttle even needed.
But Land Cruisers rule! Jeeps suck!
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My Brother Jay's rig, Rubicon 2021...
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I ruined my gas tank on my 98 TJ in big sluice. So I am right there with ya!!!yep wheelbase and the damn gas tank, stupid Jeep, why?! I know, coz Jeep sucks like you said
kcjaz
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Stock Rubicon tires are 33s right? If so, can a truly stock Rubicon make it through the Rubicon trail? Really, could a stock anything make it through? I suppose it comes down to what "make it through" means. You could probably drag a lot of vehicles over the trail with winches and help from other rigs and a high tolerance for damage.
kcjaz
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Got this same shot with a 200 in the gap? Want to see that zero offset thing in action...
Canyonero
Beating up Land Cruisers since 2015
Yes 33’s on a stock Rubi. A truly stock Jeep Rubicon can make it through (2 door for sure, maybe 4 door), and without damage and without being dragged. You would need an expert spotter and expert driver to avoid damage. Skid plates will take a beating, but that’s what they’re for. I don’t believe any other stock vehicle (maybe the new Bronco) could make it through.
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When they run it stock they leave the tires fully inflated as well, if I recall the article I read years ago correctly. Must be an uncomfortable couple of days.
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Not that bad. I done it on fully inflated 31inchs on my old TJ.. that was the run I dented up my gas tank. Went to 33’s after that and didn’t have a problems.
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Happiest little girl on the Rubicon...
