looks like a buick. jk
Rivian R1S vs LC thoughts? (2 Viewers)
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The autopilot in the Tesla is far an away better than any other safety features equipped on other vehicles. Is it perfect.. no.. but neither are we. As far as to add to this discussion.. While it is unlikely that I will ever part with my 200 series (too much love), if it came to purchasing another LC or the Rivian... I would most certainly go for the Rivian. IMO these companies are far and away better and deploying software upgrades to the consumer .. with the infrastructure that allows them to do it at no cost... I cant even get Airplay or android auto on my 2017 LC without installing an aftermarket system.. and here Tesla is deploying Netflix to all of its cars!
I understand reliability is a question that remains to be unseen... but with the relatively simplistic design of electric motors .. few moving parts ... single speed transmissions... the biggest questions is battery life. Tesla offers an 8year / 120k mile warranty on nearly everything at no extra cost (I think unlimited mile warranty on the Model S) .. I would imagine a competitor would do the same. Therefore peace of mind in the purchase is achieved.
For overlanding.. i agree the infrastructure required still is not there.. and that might be one of the few detractors. However, most of my normal adult life is not spent overlanding (although I certainly envisioned that lifestyle when selecting the LC).
All in all, if the Rivian was available when I purchased the LC I would likely have chosen it. But I am extremely happy with the LC and look forward to it lasting a long long time..
I understand reliability is a question that remains to be unseen... but with the relatively simplistic design of electric motors .. few moving parts ... single speed transmissions... the biggest questions is battery life. Tesla offers an 8year / 120k mile warranty on nearly everything at no extra cost (I think unlimited mile warranty on the Model S) .. I would imagine a competitor would do the same. Therefore peace of mind in the purchase is achieved.
For overlanding.. i agree the infrastructure required still is not there.. and that might be one of the few detractors. However, most of my normal adult life is not spent overlanding (although I certainly envisioned that lifestyle when selecting the LC).
All in all, if the Rivian was available when I purchased the LC I would likely have chosen it. But I am extremely happy with the LC and look forward to it lasting a long long time..
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Very convincing marketting to a die hard land cruiser loyalist. Could this be why Toyota is abadoning land cruisers in US by 2022? If I was in south america, I'd like to see the rivian in the jungles. For sand dunes they need to take this to dubai and the outback. Lets see how the battery handles extreme heat and take it to siberia/antartica to do some extreme cold testing. I just wish the rivians front end looked more aggressive/manlyish.
RET2
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Basically just dirt roads in a quasi exotic place, Meh?
A better comparison would be the new Raptor vs. LC 200. Having a 36gal.tank and serious off-road capabilities, real bolstered seats and 450hp with serious torque is pretty compelling. The newer frame is very robust compared to the earlier Gen 1. The 2021 model will have rear coil suspension and probably more power.
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RET2
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Not exactly apples for apples?
I’m literally going back and forth from Raptor to 200. Ford quality is always questionable but they seem a lot better these days...
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I love Land Cruisers but they are dated and the price for new ones is out of touch with reality. Fuel mileage and it’s smallish tank is a big problem for overlanders or daily driving. I was hitting the gas station every three days just running local errands. It’s being discontinued because they just aren’t selling enough of them, demand is down and fake wood for $80k is silly. Plus you have to spend another $5k to put a appropriate lift on it and still can’t get 35” tire on without trimming and other potential problems. You guys should watch the video of the Ranger Raptor in Australia wheeling hard with a group of LCs and the Raptor made it look easy
That's not exactly a stock Ranger Raptor, nor is it an SUV, nor is it available in the US, and it was showcased in a highly-edited YouTube series solely for sponsorship reasons.
It's comprable to a Tacoma TRD Pro, not a 200 series or any USDM Land Cruiser.
It's comprable to a Tacoma TRD Pro, not a 200 series or any USDM Land Cruiser.
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The Rivian, Ranger, Raptor and whatever else are different vehicles. Why are we comparing apples with grapes, pineapples, and bananas?
Toyota is not going to discontinue the Cruiser badge around the world but maybe in the US. This is because the Lexus twin is about the same price and is the same vehicle but with more gadgets, bells, sounds, and creature comforts. If the Lexus did not have a twin, the Cruiser would be selling 30-50k annually instead of 2,200. It's possible Toyota will replace the current $90k Cruiser with a Cruiser that is half the cost, a lot less bells and comforts, but with more off-road capabilities.
Toyota is not going to discontinue the Cruiser badge around the world but maybe in the US. This is because the Lexus twin is about the same price and is the same vehicle but with more gadgets, bells, sounds, and creature comforts. If the Lexus did not have a twin, the Cruiser would be selling 30-50k annually instead of 2,200. It's possible Toyota will replace the current $90k Cruiser with a Cruiser that is half the cost, a lot less bells and comforts, but with more off-road capabilities.
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@Reckless I agree with the sissy looking front end... But once it's fitted with armor, larger tires, dirt/mud. etc.~ I like mucho!!!
C'mon Mr Toyota, LC300+ could be way better
I'm pretty sure electric cars have to be super aerodynamic. Which makes grills and lifting not possible unless you want to lose half the range.
My reasoning for exploring this discussion is to be an enviornmentally conscious overlander. I feel bad releasing soo much carbon monoxide in natural habitats. I wish Tesla would move from crossovers to SUVs.
They aren’t all that different. The LC and 150-RAptor are both overland vehicles plus based on truck frames. One has an open bed and the other does not. Passenger space is almost equal as well minus 3rd row. Equally well equipped with similar options. You will find several reviewers comparing the two including the Colorado based favorite “the fast lane reviewer”. In Australia, they compare the LC with the Ranger Raptor. Test drive a Raptor and you’ll better understand why these two are comparable
They are both leaders in their categories, so it makes sense that people on this forum, looking for the best, are cross shopping. Apples to apples? Maybe not, but both are excellent vehicles for what they are designed to do.
I rented a Raptor for a week and ended up liking it far more than expected. The twin turbo engine is silky smooth and makes the gigantic vehicle fun; almost sporty. The only negatives I see is their reliability. Almost the entire first page of cars.com is full of "buy-back lemon" branded titles. Apparently there are some chronic electrical gremlins the dealerships aren't equipped to eradicate.
That said, If we had the baby raptor in the US, I would strongly consider it, due to size and sporty fun.
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i've owned four Ford trucks and SUVs (3 F250, a F150 and an Escape), and a handful of Toyota trucks and SUVs (2 Tundras, 2 Tacoma's, a 4Runner and 4 Land Cruisers). I'd encourage anyone considering a Ford to compare the difference in build quality, reliability, durability and owner satisfaction. I wouldn't buy a Ford again.
A full page of lemon buy-back? If you’re especially grouping all models, that’s really low since they sold 2,497,318 fords last year and the f-150 alone sold 909,330. You can’t make that many vehicles without a few lemons. The best full extended coverage warranty for a Raptor is only $3k for 8rs 150k miles. I have never kept a vehicle longer then 3yrs but the Raptor is a lot of fun and commands the road. Plus you can actually jump the dang thing since the newer reinforced frame and awesome 3.0 live bypass fox shocks riding on proper 35s. I love the Cruiser and have had 2 200’s but for $80+k it’s just out of touch with reality and it’s slow.
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I keep vehicles for many more than 3 years and hundreds of thousands of miles. It sounds like we are just in different segments of the market. If I had vehicles for that short a time, I might have a different point of view. Then again at least three of my fords had persistent problems from new - one required a new transmission, one ended up being a chassis ground that was never connected at the factory, and the third was some other hard to diagnose electrical issue. I can't see any good reason to buy a Ford when there are so many better vehicles out there.
My brother has a 2018 Raptor (bought new). For the first 6 months, he never ran thru a full tank of gas without having to put the Raptor in the shop for issues. And each time, he was without it for 1-2 weeks at least because the parts are on backordered (due to apparently many other F150/Raptors having similar issue).
For the past 4 months, it has been problem free. But then just the other day, while closing his passenger door, the plastic from the grap handle fell off. He pushed it back on...but he just shook his head at Ford quality. He loves his truck though because it drives great but he has doubts how long he will keep it.
For the past 4 months, it has been problem free. But then just the other day, while closing his passenger door, the plastic from the grap handle fell off. He pushed it back on...but he just shook his head at Ford quality. He loves his truck though because it drives great but he has doubts how long he will keep it.
