Rivian R1S vs LC thoughts? (3 Viewers)
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I personally think it's a good topic to include in this forum because most wouldn't have seen this if it was in an ev forum. Imho
If we're not talking about extended overlanding, off-roading, and towing, which is why many of us own the 200-series... then EV cars are already there. Ready for when potential owners are ready to switch. After switching, you'll wonder why you didn't do it earlier. Seriously, it's an incredible pivot and the future which is here, is indeed that much better.
Even if you're a sports car junkie. You'll be amazed how much quicker an EV is on the streets. There's no proper EV sports car on the market yet, but what's out there is already kicking butt against very serious metal even on the track - Tesla Model 3, Model S find success in America's toughest street-car race - Roadshow
My wife has a Tesla Model 3 (our second EV, had EVs over 8 yrs now), which also takes the bulk of the family mileage on the weekends. A weekend trip to LA from San Diego is maybe $10 (actually free with my paid off solar), as opposed to $80 minimum if I drove the LX570.
I alternate commuting in my LX570 and 700hp Porsche 911. If didn't need towing and adventure travel, and I wasn't nostalgic about manual trannies and burning dinosaurs, the Tesla is a much better car. Even exciting and engaging to drive because it's so instantaneous. Then there are all perks of never rushing to get gas, minimal maintenance, no oil changes, no smog tests, autopilot, dog mode or just A/C on while away from the car so it's always cool stepping in especially in the middle of summer, 1-foot driving, the list is rather huge...
Markuson
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Unfortunately... there is no “Possible Future LC” forum on mud. THERE SHOULD BE.
Meanwhile... To me, it does have to do with the possibility of a hybrid LC in general and the developing tech that informs the feasibility question. Rivian is the only major project attempting to delve into truck- like EV, so it directly relates for the same reason Tesla’s are showing up in Lamborghini are discussions. Future overlap and competition ispotentially crossing new lines.
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Are you 90? Lol, sorry, i had to do it. In all realness, why not?
RET2
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Unless you have storage batteries plugging it into your solar system at night is in reality just plugging into your house meter?
I will say this is the first EV that has genuinely piqued my interest. Would I go to an all EV garage? No way, for many of the reason stated above.
Now, I do like a lot of the things that rivian is doing different. Read some articles about the possibilities of their modular battery cells.
Also, they do have a removable Aux battery pack patented. Rivian Patent Reveals Removable Auxiliary Battery to Extend Range On-Demand.
While it may take a little extra planning and time, long distance travel is totally possible with EVs even today. Have a friend who uses his Model 3 for work travel around the Southeast. Some trips take a little longer, but they are also more enjoyable because of the forced stops.
If part of overlanding is getting out into the world and slowing down a bit, then making stops to charge should be easier in this sector than the fast paced tech folks running around in Tesla’s.
Now, I do like a lot of the things that rivian is doing different. Read some articles about the possibilities of their modular battery cells.
Also, they do have a removable Aux battery pack patented. Rivian Patent Reveals Removable Auxiliary Battery to Extend Range On-Demand.
While it may take a little extra planning and time, long distance travel is totally possible with EVs even today. Have a friend who uses his Model 3 for work travel around the Southeast. Some trips take a little longer, but they are also more enjoyable because of the forced stops.
If part of overlanding is getting out into the world and slowing down a bit, then making stops to charge should be easier in this sector than the fast paced tech folks running around in Tesla’s.
RET2
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Just kidding of course but can't wait to see the Cali EIR's on putting charging stationS in the Boonies. It will also probably need a take a number machine that calls out "Now serving A15" just like DMV. 
I wondered if anyone would catch the odd way I wrote that! Anyway, my solar system is off the grid so the car is charged from storage batteries at night, though I do plug in the car during the day often too, which is direct.
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"While the top speeds are limited to 125 miles an hour, that mid-range battery pack will get you anywhere the quickest, sending 562 kW to the gearbox (about 750 horsepower and 826 lb-ft of torque), and propelling you to 60 in three seconds. The largest battery pushes 522 kW (700 horsepower) to the gearbox and only adds 0.2 seconds to the tear to 60. The smallest—and cheapest—iteration will generate 300 kW (400 horsepower and 413 lb-ft) and requires 4.9 seconds to hit 60.
Why quad-motors? Performance, sure, but they also offer more capability. “True, groundbreaking off-road capability is derived from the ability to instantaneously control and eke out every morsel of grip that’s available to you,” said Mark Vinnels, executive director of engineering for Rivian. “That’s much more accurately and easily done when you control it with motor torque, rather than a combination of motor torque and brake interaction,” currently commonplace.
Vinnels, who spent fourteen years overseeing the development of all McLaren road cars since the F1, and ran Lotus’s vehicle program division for six years prior to that, knows how to push a vehicle’s limits to the maximum. “Arguably, every off-road vehicle should be designed in this way, because controlling the torque in each wheel optimizes what’s going on every single contact patch,” he said. “Internal combustion engines can’t get the throttle response precise enough.” The motors on each wheel will also aid in changing direction on the fly and, in concert with a revolutionary suspension system, the effect will be unprecedented, Vinnels claimed. “The ability to climb and descend in this, even on a loose surface, will be better than anything.”
With trucks and SUVs, typically you’re dealt a high center of gravity, relatively loose suspension and heaps of body roll. Vinnels was determined to subvert those (sub)standards. The battery pack sits low in the chassis, shoving the center of mass downward for increased stability. Hydraulic roll controls were introduced to help mitigate rocking while riding. Various drive modes will help shift the vehicle’s characteristics around, too. Vinnels hinted at three or four, but noted nothing’s final. “You could have ‘comfort’ for road driving, and ‘sport’ mode where things intensify, and maybe even ‘track’ mode for pure performance. A division the other way would take you into off-road,” he said, adding the vehicle could also be capable of selecting the best drive mode based automatically from its sensors."
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I am a sucker for marketing hype. Its starting to sound like my dream 300.
Why quad-motors? Performance, sure, but they also offer more capability. “True, groundbreaking off-road capability is derived from the ability to instantaneously control and eke out every morsel of grip that’s available to you,” said Mark Vinnels, executive director of engineering for Rivian. “That’s much more accurately and easily done when you control it with motor torque, rather than a combination of motor torque and brake interaction,” currently commonplace.
Vinnels, who spent fourteen years overseeing the development of all McLaren road cars since the F1, and ran Lotus’s vehicle program division for six years prior to that, knows how to push a vehicle’s limits to the maximum. “Arguably, every off-road vehicle should be designed in this way, because controlling the torque in each wheel optimizes what’s going on every single contact patch,” he said. “Internal combustion engines can’t get the throttle response precise enough.” The motors on each wheel will also aid in changing direction on the fly and, in concert with a revolutionary suspension system, the effect will be unprecedented, Vinnels claimed. “The ability to climb and descend in this, even on a loose surface, will be better than anything.”
With trucks and SUVs, typically you’re dealt a high center of gravity, relatively loose suspension and heaps of body roll. Vinnels was determined to subvert those (sub)standards. The battery pack sits low in the chassis, shoving the center of mass downward for increased stability. Hydraulic roll controls were introduced to help mitigate rocking while riding. Various drive modes will help shift the vehicle’s characteristics around, too. Vinnels hinted at three or four, but noted nothing’s final. “You could have ‘comfort’ for road driving, and ‘sport’ mode where things intensify, and maybe even ‘track’ mode for pure performance. A division the other way would take you into off-road,” he said, adding the vehicle could also be capable of selecting the best drive mode based automatically from its sensors."
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I am a sucker for marketing hype. Its starting to sound like my dream 300.
CharlieS
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It just seems odd that a discussion about Land Cruiser 300 gets moved to chit-chat but this stays in the forum. Oh-well.
I think this applies more the 200 series forum than the speculation about the 300. There is way more info out there about the Rivian than 300 series and it seems to be a valid competitor at this point. Really this is no different than the other current thread about should They sell their a 200 and get a Tacoma. Or any other discussion around 200 series vs X.
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No!
First, the Rivian has not been tested in real-world driving. There's zero data on it's long-term reliability and durability, customer satisfaction in "would I buy this again", and resale value. Second, The LC has proven it's worth over and over in all the important categories, all over the world, from combat zones to 4x4 trails, and keeping the family happy on cross-country trips.
Third, I prefer to take my vehicle on a trip such that it's easy to obtain fuel and I can refuel in 10 mins or less.
I no longer jump on any bandwagon for the latest technology. I've been burned too many times. It's always best to be patient. It takes years for any new technology to become mainstream. Lots of technology eventually fails. Anyone else remember these events?
- When segways were introduced in 2001, they were supposed to dramatically eliminate traffic in major cities. FAIL.
- In the mid-2000s, the internet would be easily accessed in almost every community by wi-fi and thereby eliminating the need for people to obtain via cable/phone lines. FAIL.
- The "experts" said there was a huge opportunity for Google glasses and the glasses could eventually reduce the amount of time of using a cell phone and computer. Another huge FAIL.
- Napster, Blackberry, Netscape, Palm Pilot, and AOL are a collection of over-promised and over-hyped products and services that were supposed to connect people and things very quickly on a very broad scale. ALL FAILED.
- TiVo was supposed to capture the entire tv-recording market. Thanks to DISH and DirectTV, huge FAIL.
- "Experts" told us that Mapquest and map displayers such as Garmin and Tom Tom were to be huge opportunities for investment. FAIL.
- The so-called "Experts" told us that Amazon and Starbucks would turn into a failure within a few years of their IPO's in the late 1990's.
@Reckless have you seen the Bollinger SUV and Truck as well?
Bollinger Motors all-electric commercial trucks
Bollinger Motors is the all-American electric truck manufacturer.bollingermotors.com
Bollinger just released their pricing and deposit announcement... $125k, yikes! That is a 50% premium over a new LC. They are pretty cool, but that seems like big money for a 200mi range.
Bollinger makes toys. Last I knew, nothing they built was legal for import to the US.
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I saw that article as well. First thing ran through my mind was very limited production run. Tesla Y coming out in summer, alot of news on how tesla is improving their products along with stuff on Rivian. It felt like american ingenuity at its best. I saw another headline where it said autopilot is 9 times less likely to be in an accident. Very interesting stuff!
I think both companies are innovating and personally that impresses me a great deal. Also saw a cool Mazda EV with functional suicide doors - I loved that idea. Too bad it was a CUV not an SUV. It looked to small to fit my parents in the back.
I think both companies are innovating and personally that impresses me a great deal. Also saw a cool Mazda EV with functional suicide doors - I loved that idea. Too bad it was a CUV not an SUV. It looked to small to fit my parents in the back.
The safety claims of Autopilot are oversold. Autopilot is possibly the best of the driver aids on the market but it is nowhere near as good as Musk claims.
