Just replaced my started with a Denso. Went to start the car and it was like the battery was totally dead. Jumped it and it all started. Tried to drive around the block and the car died after about 50 feet. Any ideas what’s up here?
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M Go Blue
@dubyehnel ,
The no start ( no starter rotation) is a symptom of bad or improperly installed starter contacts. Was the replacement starter new or rebuilt/refurbished? With rebuilds it's a common that the contacts are not installed properly. Jump starting, as you experienced, can provide higher voltage and current overcoming the contacts. It will not correct itself. Several threads detail the repair process.
The stalling sounds like a possible loose connection. Verify all the wires at the starter and battery are tight.
Is the check engine light on when turning ignition to ON without trying to start? No light, no start, no power is being supplied to the ECM.
The no start ( no starter rotation) is a symptom of bad or improperly installed starter contacts. Was the replacement starter new or rebuilt/refurbished? With rebuilds it's a common that the contacts are not installed properly. Jump starting, as you experienced, can provide higher voltage and current overcoming the contacts. It will not correct itself. Several threads detail the repair process.
The stalling sounds like a possible loose connection. Verify all the wires at the starter and battery are tight.
Is the check engine light on when turning ignition to ON without trying to start? No light, no start, no power is being supplied to the ECM.
Hello
Recently I’ve been experiencing similar issues but not consistently. When try to start, I hear a single click with no engine turn over (no dimming of dash lights). Other times it starts normally. Every once in a while, the truck starts with 1-2 sec delay. Battery voltage measured at 12.7v with engine OFF, alternator charging 13.5-14.3v with engine running. But jumping the battery will start the truck with no issue. Put a brand new battery, still same issues
Any idea what could be the culprit?
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M Go Blue
As stated in my previous post most likely caused by bad starter contacts or improperly installed contacts.
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M Go Blue
Starter Contacts & Plunger are the working parts of the solenoid that is attached to the body of the starter. All Series 80 have basically the same setup but there are three different models of starters, 1.4KW, 2.0KW or 2.2 KW. Most likely yours is a 2.0 KW. You can search the forum for pictures.
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M Go Blue
@FredZ
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2.2 kw 2.0 kw and 1.4 kw starters
Picked up a used 2.2 kw starter from voorland80 (many thanks again!). I thought it would be nice to see how the starters compared in size so I lined them up. Pretty impressive how big the 2.2 is
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@FredZ
2.2 kw 2.0 kw and 1.4 kw starters
Picked up a used 2.2 kw starter from voorland80 (many thanks again!). I thought it would be nice to see how the starters compared in size so I lined them up. Pretty impressive how big the 2.2 is
Much appreciated the forwarded info.
I am trying to gather possible scenarios from folks experienced similar situations before spending money on parts & components that I may not need
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M Go Blue
Those parts are relatively inexpensive. Your option is to replace the starter. Starter contracts/plunger are normally good for 125K miles. If yours are original they are due for replacement.
Mark W
Yep, I really don't really care that much I guess.
The OP states that he just replaced the starter with a Denso and the no start situation happened after this. Even if it is a rebuilt Denso assembled by the village idiot in outer Mongolia, it is doubtful that it would be possible to assemble it so sloppily that it would completely fail right out of the box. And if it was that bad, I would not expect it to fire right up with a jump start. Possible, sure. Unlikely as hell though.
And a bad starter would not cause the rig to simply stop running after 50 feet.
Not would it produce the other symptoms associated with a battery being "totally dead".
OP, clarify please... When the rig died... gnashing crunching grinding noises or just quietly stopped running? What happened when you tried to start it. Clicks, silence? Crank no start? Define "was like the battery was totally dead". Just that the starter did not turn the engine over? Clicks no turn? No dashlights or anything at all?
Mark...
And a bad starter would not cause the rig to simply stop running after 50 feet.
Not would it produce the other symptoms associated with a battery being "totally dead".
OP, clarify please... When the rig died... gnashing crunching grinding noises or just quietly stopped running? What happened when you tried to start it. Clicks, silence? Crank no start? Define "was like the battery was totally dead". Just that the starter did not turn the engine over? Clicks no turn? No dashlights or anything at all?
Mark...
Mark W
Yep, I really don't really care that much I guess.
Worn out starter solenoid contacts. Cheap and easy to replace. Available at most parts stores.
Mark...
Thank you all for your advice. Yes, it was the original toyota starter (+30yrs old) unit that was having intermittent issues.
Anyone know internal parts need replacing & associated p/n that help to rebuild the starter? I hate to buy an aftermarket starter.
John McVicker
SILVER Star
Reread post # 12 & then do it.
Mark W
Yep, I really don't really care that much I guess.
As the message you quoted says... Starter solenoid contacts. 99% of the time that is all you need. Just ask for them by name in pretty much any parts store. They usually can be found in a semi universal packaged kit for Toyota starters out on the customer accessible shelves in the electrical parts isle. No need to try and get Toyota contacts. They are just a piece of brass.
Mark...
Ok, Thank you.
Just a small correction to your post, those contacts will be made out of copper, not brass
Mark W
Yep, I really don't really care that much I guess.
For some reason I am as likely to call brass copper and copper brass as not.
At least I did not type bronze! Mark...
NM Frontier
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It may sound simple but I have chased a similar issue after replacing a starter only to find a bad connection at the positive battery terminal it took less then a quarter turn to get it tight enough to solve the issue. I had installed military style terminals years ago so if yours are still stock or you do not have a bunch of accessories added it may not apply to you but is a easy cheek that can get overlooked
Thanks for the suggestion. I did make sure the battery + connection was tight with good contact.
Issue was resolved yesterday after replacing the starter w/new Denso unit.
