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Toyota has been bringing out more advanced driving aids and Apple CarPlay in other models as they are redesigned - for example, in the redesigned Corolla and Avalon. Given the age of the Landcruiser200 platform, I would be surprised to see those come to the Landcruiser before a full redesign. Since we haven’t seen any leaks about a new Landcruiser platform, I expect the 2019 Landcruiser to be little changed. Time will tell.
Markuson
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Not unless you're RyanCA...
He'll trade in his 18 for a 19 as he's always done... He crezeh... 
I just love driving past a RAV4 with more tech than my LC
Markuson
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CarPlay would be nice...but I keep an iPad mounted in my 08 24/7, which works better than any CarPlay app could on the so-so OEM screen...
Might be an alternative to consider.
I like the electric windows, would be nice to be able to load more then one CD. Would love heavy duty buffalo hide seats. Be nice to pick my ride height with a scale of low/med/high like the current system but change it to a permanent setting until you change it. Should come from the factory with a ceramic paint coating and 285/55/20 BFG AT/KO2’s and be tuned to run on 87 Octane
Markuson
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I like the electric windows, would be nice to be able to load more then one CD. Would love heavy duty buffalo hide seats. Be nice to pick my ride height with a scale of low/med/high like the current system but change it to a permanent setting until you change it. Should come from the factory with a ceramic paint coating and 285/55/20 BFG AT/KO2’s and be tuned to run on 87 Octane
I haven’t touched my huge collection of CDs in years since they all fit on my phone...
LC is tuned for regular gas.
I'm afraid the next iteration of the Cruiser is going to be saddled with a lot of tech that will be nice but overall unnecessary. Motorized rear hatch, lane assist, even MORE adaptive cruise control, wifi, control from a phone app, panorama sunroofs, etc etc. I get it... it's going to be a selling point, but all it's going to do is raise the MSRP. I don't need half of that. I don't use the radar cruise because I'll end up at 67mph behind someone without realizing it. Lane keeping? Try driving without your phone in your lap! From my wife's 2015.5 XC70 T6 AWD to the new 2018 V90 XC T6 AWD the price has increased over $15k. The tech has increased massively. The '18 is beautiful, but $60k is a lot of scratch for a crossover wagon.
BLIS would be about the only thing I'd actually want. And maybe some better gas mileage.
These trucks will be over $100k before we know it and with likely little appreciable increase in capability or reliability.
BLIS would be about the only thing I'd actually want. And maybe some better gas mileage.
These trucks will be over $100k before we know it and with likely little appreciable increase in capability or reliability.
Toyota now puts all these driver aids on a Corolla. It wouldn’t add much cost to put them on a Landcruiser.
We did a 6,500 mile road trip last year. My daily commute is an hour long slog each way through stop-and-don’t-go traffic. I’d like as many driver aids as possible.
I use the radar cruise control on my 2013. I wish it would work down to 0 mph.
We did a 6,500 mile road trip last year. My daily commute is an hour long slog each way through stop-and-don’t-go traffic. I’d like as many driver aids as possible.
I use the radar cruise control on my 2013. I wish it would work down to 0 mph.
Markuson
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I like the electric windows, would be nice to be able to load more then one CD. Would love heavy duty buffalo hide seats. Be nice to pick my ride height with a scale of low/med/high like the current system but change it to a permanent setting until you change it. Should come from the factory with a ceramic paint coating and 285/55/20 BFG AT/KO2’s and be tuned to run on 87 Octane
Are you being sarcastic?
For me the '18 is a solid point in production cycle before they redesign and raise the price $10-15k for features that are nice, but ultimately not really something I must have vs want to have. The 200 Series has been battle hardened, established and updated over the last few years. The 300 series will jump in cost and become too much to consider.
Why do you think adding these driver aids will increase the price by $10-15k?
The 2019 Corolla has automatic emergency braking with pedestrian detection. It has full speed range radar cruise control that works down to 0 mph, so it works in stop and go traffic. It has lane departure warning and lane keeping assist. It has a blind spot warning system. It starts at $19k and every trim has these features.
These types of technologies tend to be introduced in expensive, low-volume cars. But then the technology becomes cheaper and spreads throughout the range.
For example, at one time cruise control was a feature only found on luxury cars. IIRC, ABS, electronic spin protection, and brake-assist were initially rolled out on top-end Mercedes models. Now every car has them, including those that cost under $20k.
These technologies were once expensive, but they aren’t anymore. The only one that I think would be hard to integrate in the 200 series would be lane-keeping assist, as I believe those systems are integrated with electronic assisted power steering and the 200 has hydraulic power steering.
I think we’re all right and we’re all wrong on these driver aids. The price of a similarly equipped F-150, Z71 Suburban, my aforementioned Volvo XC example, et al, is that when comparing models 3-5 years ago, even adjusted for inflation, they have risen DRASTICALLY in price. The underlying parts of the vehicle like frame, engine, drivetrain have not increased in technology much - perhaps with the exception of aluminum in some of the F-150s. My 2013 King Ranch F-150 snickered in the low $50s and today that’s in the low $60s.
And yet... the example @M1911 gave of the Corolla is also spot on.
This maybe leads me to believe that marketing is seriously at play here. The people buying these high end pickups or SUVs will buy them no matter the cost. The tech is used to justify the increase. But in a Corolla the price can’t increase or the target buyer would be priced out so they take a discount on the cost of the new tech in order to keep up or exceed what is put out by competitors.
I think we can probably guess which group the Cruiser would fall into.... Even adjusted for inflation of 2% will see a 2021 model in the low $90s on the sticker.
And yet... the example @M1911 gave of the Corolla is also spot on.
This maybe leads me to believe that marketing is seriously at play here. The people buying these high end pickups or SUVs will buy them no matter the cost. The tech is used to justify the increase. But in a Corolla the price can’t increase or the target buyer would be priced out so they take a discount on the cost of the new tech in order to keep up or exceed what is put out by competitors.
I think we can probably guess which group the Cruiser would fall into.... Even adjusted for inflation of 2% will see a 2021 model in the low $90s on the sticker.
I think the features driving the cost of luxury trucks and suvs are things like the premium interior materials in the King Ranch, rather than tech like radar cruise control. These high tech features are all computers and electronic sensors. Once the quantity goes up, costs come down dramatically.
In contrast, leather costs what it costs — the price doesn’t change much when you order more.
In contrast, leather costs what it costs — the price doesn’t change much when you order more.
IF the 300 series is a complete redesign and they go higher end beyond just the tid bits of new lane monitoring, etc the cost will likely jump at least $5-7K and the LX570 will go up accordingly as well. Toyota doesn't sell a million of these a year so they have to recoup their R&D money. I was shocked when the 2018 price actually went down from 2017 model year.
Lets also not forget the tariffs that could be placed on imported vehicles to boot, consider the 25% import tariff being bantered about. If that happened it could actually kill a model year or two or severely reduce the inventory.
The base model Taco (2018), for $22,300 I used the radar cruise in about 300 miles of driving, it was pretty fantastic for a little base truck
