Real Time Question- T-case bearing kit help

[Bryan062087]

I'm getting a little fed up with man-a-fre. I ordered a transfer case rebuild kit a while back and when I got it the main gasket that goes in between the transfer case halves was noticeably torn.

I called them immediately and it took them 2 weeks to get me another gasket.

Now I am ready to re-assemble my transfer case and I discovered that my kit does not have the two split bearings for the rear output shaft. I called Man-a-fre and they said their kits do not include the split bearings and I would have to buy them separately or re-use the old ones.

Their kits are advertised as including ALL the bearings and gaskets needed. Has anyone else's man-a-fre rebuild kit not including these bearings?

This seems like false advertising at the least..

 

[Tinker]

Call & ask for Steve O: he's a fellow Mudder & most helpful. Be sure to be looking at the listing for the kit at the same time so you can ask detailed questions. Might also help to have the FSM open too.

 

[mrlocksmith]

The $OR kit had everything except shims.


Mark

 

[Bryan062087]

I think I talked to steve, he was very friendly and helpful, but I really do think I should have had those bearings in the kit. I talked to someone else who bought a rebuild kit from them and his included these bearings. Not sure why I'm getting told no. I need to put my transfer case back together!

Hopefully someone who has bought a transfer rebuild kit from MAF recently will post up.

 

[Dynosoar]

I have purchased several kits from them and they have always had all bearings gaskets and seals. (as a matter of fact they had extra bearings, gaskets and seal I did not even use!) Talk to Steve as said before he should hook you up. I am not sure which bearing you are refering to (Split Bearing) post a picture. I may have some new ones sitting around.

Dynosoar

 

[Bryan062087]

Its those two bearings I believe, its the only two that come off in two halves in the case. I think I talked to Steve and he's the one who told me they were not included in the kit, but not positive. After I get this straight, I'll call back today and make sure I talk to Steve.

After looking at the SOR site, I'm not sure they include these bearings in their kits.

 

[Aseif007]

I ran into the same thing a couple of years ago. The kit didin't include the two split roller needle bearings that go on the output shaft. They gave me the same answer. I am not sure why they are missing from their kit but after it happened to me I know they know their kit is missing it. I would have thought that by now they would have added it to the kit. what good is a rebuild kit if those bearings are missing? I had to buy them from Toyota. I think they were $80 or so together but it has been years so I could be off.

 

[Spike Strip]

Bought mine about a year ago (FJ60) from MAF. Came with those bearings.. I also had some extras, like Dynosoar.

But I'm very fed up with MAF too, for other reasons. I've had 3 stories like yours for other parts in the last 6 months. I now go to $OR unless it's something they don't have.

Don't think you can edit a Thread title after a little while... But you can email a mod and ask.

 

[Cruiserdrew]

Those bearings are specific to the FJ62s transfer case. the FJ60 uses a bushing in it's place. Is the rebuild kit you ordered for the 38mm FJ60 or is it a universal kit that covers FJ60 and 62?

I know that when I got the t-case rebuild kit for my FJ60 (38mm idler) the kit came with other FJ62 parts like the O-rings, but not those needle bearings. I think all the vendors sell basically the same kit, so I'm not surprised your kit doesn't have it. They don't look expensive, have you tried Cruiserdan and overnignt freight? That could get you up and running pretty quick.

 

[Bryan062087]

Not sure on the price from Cdan. But I need to call him today anyways to order an oil pan gasket. MAF said they bearings were 62$ a piece from them.

I was just concerned bc some people are saying they got these bearings in their MAF rebuild kits. I cannot understand why they would not include these bearings if they are needed. I ordered a rebuild kit for the 60/62 but did disclose on the form that I had an 1989 fj62. I think I ordered it online so I just selected the only rebuild kit for a 38mm idler they had listed. It was for both the 60 and 62.

I do not want to spend an extra 120$ or more on bearings that some people got included in the same kit I bought and that are supposed to be in there. Thats only concern.

Edit: I've figured it out. You said they are specific for a fj62? The people who had all the bearings they needed must have had an fj60. So I think MAF is right.

 

[Bryan062087]

I need some opinions on whether to replace these two bearings.

I would have to by them separate for about 120$. They are the high/low gear bearings for the output shafts. The FJ60's have bushings instead of the bearings.

Mine do not look worn but I'm replacing all the other bearings so part of me thinks I should replace these.

I ordered a full rebuild kit because my transfer was leaking like crazy and has been run low (i mean really low) on gear oil for at least the last 50k. It was really a little gear oil and half full of ATF. Also, I ran it dry a few times but caught it soon after.

After tearing open the case, to my surprise, the only bearings that showed any wear were the two on the idler shaft. All the others look perfectly fine. But since I bought new bearings in the rebuild kit, I'm replacing them anyway. Also, my case functioned fine but whined a lot of de-acceleration at low speeds.

Should I spend the extra 120$ and replace these bearings that did not come with my rebuild kit?

My truck has 200k on it.

 

[Spike Strip]

Those bearings are $44.50 online from 1sttoyotaparts.com ... C. Dan is probably comparable. SOR is $55 ...

Part # 90364-40001 if you want to try and get the Koyo bearing aftermarket.

This LINK may help

I'm anal - particularly about stuff that a major PITA to get to again, so I replace everything... And I'm cheap, too.

 

[Cruiserdrew]

If your case has run low, that makes all the bearings suspect. I vote replace, regardless of cost. You only want to go in there once. Did you do the McNamara gear as well? Just curious how much wear was on the output shaft. a pic would be cool, since I'm debating that fix.

 

[Bryan062087]

Not doing the mcnamara gear. I get a clunk occasionally but the shaft did not look bad. Also, I'm saving for a 5 speed down the road so I couldn't use it then I believe.

 

[Dynosoar]

Those bearings did NOT come with the rebuild kit. The idler shaft uses similar caged needle bearings but the one for the output shaft are exclusive to the later cases. So no they did not come with my master rebuild kit. I vote on replacing them while its apart.


Dynosoar

 

[rover67]

yeah, i was wrong... all the bearings for my 60 case came in the kit, but i never saw the ones you are pointing to...

 

[Bryan062087]

NP, I didn't realize 60 cases were different.

 

[FJ40Jim]

I think the reason the hi/low gear bearings aren't in the kit is the bearings are only on the auto tranny t-cases. Since only a tiny percentage of Cruisers had autos, they don't include the $100 worth of bearings.

The bearings should not be worn, because when driving in hi-range, the hi gear is locked to the output shaft, so there is zero wear on the hi bearing. The low gear is spinning at 1/2 output shaft speed, so it's relative speed to the shaft is low (output shaft spinning 2000RPM, low gear spinning 1000rpm...) and the low gear is completely unloaded. It is just rolling around the shaft. Basically, the output gear bearings never operate under load. If the hi or low gear is loaded, then it is locked to the shaft. The other gear is completely unloaded and is spinning at .5 or 2x shaft speed.

 

[worshhim]

Just rebuilt my TCase this last summer. Bought my kit from SOR and they did not include the needle roller bearings, but they were up front about it. I bought them because I didn't want to have to tear into the case again. Also, I have had to many frustrating "miscommunications" with MAF. I won't ever buy from them again. Good luck, hope it all works out.

 

[Bryan062087]

I think the reason the hi/low gear bearings aren't in the kit is the bearings are only on the auto tranny t-cases. Since only a tiny percentage of Cruisers had autos, they don't include the $100 worth of bearings.

The bearings should not be worn, because when driving in hi-range, the hi gear is locked to the output shaft, so there is zero wear on the hi bearing. The low gear is spinning at 1/2 output shaft speed, so it's relative speed to the shaft is low (output shaft spinning 2000RPM, low gear spinning 1000rpm...) and the low gear is completely unloaded. It is just rolling around the shaft. Basically, the output gear bearings never operate under load. If the hi or low gear is loaded, then it is locked to the shaft. The other gear is completely unloaded and is spinning at .5 or 2x shaft speed.

If I had read this 2 hours ago, I would not have ordered the bearings. Darn.