Builds POTM - March, 2014 - Javelina By Pablo Cruise

[PabloCruise]

I'm just going to step away.

I have no idea. I assumed that when you quoted me and posted what you did. I'm out of the conversation - not sure I was ever in.

Oh shoot man, hang around!

I have no idea either...

Actually, could you hunt me up the driveshaft fastener part numbers? I saw a mix of fasteners when taking them off - not cool.

 

[PabloCruise]

Pretty sure this is the 3-spd disc:

 

[RUSH55]

So wait a minute…
I thought the clutch for the 5 speed was a different clutch (and pressure plate) that had two versions - one compatible to the 3 speed flywheel and a different one that was compatible to a 4 speed flywheel???

If I’m getting this wrong and you can use either of the original style clutches for the 5 spd trans conversion, then I’d upgrade to the 4 spd hardware. Diaphragm clutches have benefits over the 3 finger style. Mostly they’re easier on the left leg, which is especially true with linkage operated. Hydraulic operated/actuated may be an equalizing factor, but I can tell you the 4 spd clutch in mine was always buttery smooth.

 

[PabloCruise]

I think I am moving to 4-speed.
I need to figure out if I can use the existing slave cylinder.

 

[WarDamnEagle]

Oh shoot man, hang around!

I have no idea either...

Actually, could you hunt me up the driveshaft fastener part numbers? I saw a mix of fasteners when taking them off - not cool.

37110A	BOLT (FOR PROPELLER SHAFT)
90101-10264	(03/1969 - 12/1973)	12	$2.93
90101-11468	(01/1974 - 06/1980)

No problem. Bolts, washers and nuts. You're welcome.

 

[PabloCruise]

37110A	BOLT (FOR PROPELLER SHAFT)
90101-10264	(03/1969 - 12/1973)	12	$2.93
90101-11468	(01/1974 - 06/1980)

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No problem. Bolts, washers and nuts. You're welcome.

Thank you!
This is what I am dealing with:

 

[bobm]

Chock dem wheels when doing driveshaft . I learned the hard way when i knocked the last bolt out of front driveshaft on my 80 and it started rolling backwards with me at the back of the front P/S tire. Had to grab the tire in this "O" moment to stop it and wiggle my way out. I chased it down drive an got behind with s digging in until it Stopped . Still here .

 

[bobm]

Ya, then the Offroad incident, the Coming down da Ski slope incident, da falling off the back of da Bowrider in reverse incident, da ATV incident , the rolling the RZR incident, and da incident. Life is good .

 

[riderjgs]

Chock dem wheels when doing driveshaft . I learned the hard way when i knocked the last bolt out of front driveshaft on my 80 and it started rolling backwards with me at the back of the front P/S tire. Had to grab the tire in this "O" moment to stop it and wiggle my way out. I chased it down drive a got behind with s digging in until it Stopped . Still here .

Been there, done that. Popped the driveshaft and quickly found myself being the wedge keeping the Pig from rolling on down our slight driveway grade. A couple passing by on their evening walk rescued a rather embarrassed trapped amateur mechanic. Guess they make e-brakes and wheel chocks for good reasons.

 

[bobm]

Ya it Sucks! Lucky to have someone walking .

 

[PabloCruise]

Well I figured I had done it all, but I have not used myself as a wheel chock!

 

[PabloCruise]

I did create this in the 40/55 section to get a few more eyeballs:

H55F Swap & 3-Speed to 4-Speed Clutch Upgrade Thread

I have a '74 FJ55 w/ 3FE. She is a mild Pig, rolling on 33s. I recently came into an H55F that I have been wanting for a long time: Builds - POTM - March, 2014 - Javelina By Pablo Cruise - https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/potm-march-2014-javelina-by-pablo-cruise.798519/page-42#post-15601466...

forum.ih8mud.com

 

[PabloCruise]

I am wondering if the bolts mounting the 4 speed were correct, does anyone know, can anyone tell me what the factory spec bolts are for the transmission mounting to the bellhousing?

As per Georg, M12x1.25.

JIS Hex Bolt 8.8 Zinc M12X1.25 Extra Fine / 17mm Wrench JIS B1180

Bel-Metric sells metric hardware & specialty automotive supplies worldwide. Visit our website to purchase metric fasteners, nuts, bolts, screws, washers & more.

belmetric.com

H55F Swap & 3-Speed to 4-Speed Clutch Upgrade Thread

forum.ih8mud.com

 

[PabloCruise]

It sounds like the 3 speed clutches are more prone to shuddering.

I do not know if it was in adjustment, I had no idea how to adjust the 3 speed clutch... I know I have the hotspots.

FJ40 3 Speed Clutch Help Please. Squeak and Chatter/Vibes

forum.ih8mud.com

View attachment 3711936

I think it is safe to say that this 3-speed clutch is "out of adjustment"...

That had to lead to some uneven clamping.

The pressure plate looks rough.

 

[PabloCruise]

I’m not sure if it was turned.
The clutch cover says ASCO on it, so maybe original?
If they can’t surface this one I think I will definitely try to round up 4 speed parts…

I do wonder if this was the original clutch?
I also wonder how that arm got mangled like that...

 

[PabloCruise]

if they can’t turn your current flywheel, I’d round up all the 2f stuff. Easier to find later on.

That said I’d be really surprised if they couldn’t turn it.


I just don’t know if there is any benefit to running the later 2f over just the F stuff…on a 3FE for an H55F in a pig

It seems like many who know say the 4-speed clutch is just much smoother.
I would like that.
The clutch chatter was really annoying.

 

[PabloCruise]

Metric Fasteners & Hardware｜BelMetric

Bel-Metric sells metric hardware & specialty automotive supplies worldwide. Visit our website to purchase metric fasteners, nuts, bolts, screws, washers & more.

belmetric.com

Thanks!

JIS Hex Bolt 8.8 Zinc M12X1.25 Extra Fine / 17mm Wrench JIS B1180

Bel-Metric sells metric hardware & specialty automotive supplies worldwide. Visit our website to purchase metric fasteners, nuts, bolts, screws, washers & more.

belmetric.com

 

[PabloCruise]

NLA? Not even from @cruiseroutfit ?

Not sure if we are talking clutch kits or flywheels?
Kurt @cruiseroutfit does have the 3-speed clutch kit:

Clutch Kit - Fits 1958-8/1974 40/55 w/F Engine

Clutch Kits for Toyota Land Cruiser

cruiserteq.com

They also have all the parts for the 4-speed conversion; flywheel, fork, pivot, hub, clutch kit.

As usual, their email replies are fast and helpful.

Shipping a flywheel sounds a little spendy so I am looking locally.

 

[PabloCruise]

I have used the Belmetric and this

JIS / Japanese Fasteners

Newco Products offers a huge inventory of of original parts to assist with the restoration of Japanese classic automobiles. J.I.S. Fasteners are the industry standard, manufactured specifically for these

www.newcoproducts.com

Thanks!
These guys don't go up to M12 unfortunately.
They do have some cool stuff!

 

[PabloCruise]

So wait a minute…
I thought the clutch for the 5 speed was a different clutch (and pressure plate) that had two versions - one compatible to the 3 speed flywheel and a different one that was compatible to a 4 speed flywheel???

If I’m getting this wrong and you can use either of the original style clutches for the 5 spd trans conversion, then I’d upgrade to the 4 spd hardware. Diaphragm clutches have benefits over the 3 finger style. Mostly they’re easier on the left leg, which is especially true with linkage operated. Hydraulic operated/actuated may be an equalizing factor, but I can tell you the 4 spd clutch in mine was always buttery smooth.

The H55F swap, using the F-series input shaft can use either the 3-speed or 4-speed clutch.
This causes much confusion.
I was trying to explain it to my wife, and I think she just decided to pretend it was interesting while inside she was hoping I would stop saying words.
My 80/100 series friend who just plays w/ automatic trannies asked the same thing!