PCV catch can; homebrew Condensator writeup

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For a while I had been wanting to order me a Condensator. I didn't buy into the claims of improved performance and fuel economy, but liked the idea of keeping my intake clean and free of the nasty sludge and carbon buildup that Toyota's F series engines are prone to. I did some research and heard of some great results other people had by building their own catch cans, so I decided to give it a shot. Using Overhanger's method as a jumpoff point, I decided to use an air/oil separator bought from Home Depot to see what kind of results I would have. This is more an experiment than anything else, but if I like the results, I'm going to turn it into a more permanent installation.

First thing, same as with Overhanger's setup, was to find a way to fix the drain valve on the bowl. It's designed to seal against pressure inside the bowl, but not vacuum, which is how the engine draws the gas and sludge from the crankcase via the PCV system. Instead of dicking around with the valve, I just popped it out, cut some threads in the hole at the bottom of the bowl, and installed a 1/4 NPT plug. This will hopefully make draining a little easier as well.

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During my research on PCV filters and catch cans, I read from several people that free airflow is necessary to ensure that the PCV system itself still works properly. The filter element in the Husky unit I bought was made of brass, so I drilled several 1/16" holes in it to make it less restrictive. In the next two pics you can see a few of the holes I drilled. There were 8 holes total. Also, I used 3/8 NPT barbed fittings for 3/8" ID hose.

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I got too focused on the overall goal of my project and neglected one small detail until I tried to figure out where this would be installed exactly: the fact that the Husky unit doesn't have any provisions for mounting! :doh:
Well as I seem to have built up quite a skill doing, I improvised. I found a large adel clamp and a few nutserts that I had left over. After doing up a cardboard template, I cut a piece of 16ga steel and drilled it for the mounting bolts and the adel clamp, which was opened up and will be mounted via the nutserts. Here you can see the front and back of the bracket. For those of you not familiar with nutserts, they're the zinc-looking nuts crimped onto the bracket. The black thing is the installation tool. I absolutely love these things. They're also what I used to secure the diamondplate to my tailgate.

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A test fit of the bracket...

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And the bracket painted black with the adel clamp and filter assembly installed. It's kind of wobbly because the steel isn't very thick and the filter is a bit heavy for that long of a stretch of flat 16ga steel. In the future I'm going to redesign the bracket and see if I can maybe beef it up a bit, or just make one out of beefier material. I'll also replace the Husky filter with a Craftsman one, or at least one that's got provisions for mounting it. The adel clamp holds it securely, but not securely enough for my taste. Like I said, this is more of an experimental setup.

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Results? After just one 40-mile round trip commute to work and back, there's already some sludge in the bottom of the bowl, so I know it's working in that aspect. The big test will be at the end of August when I drive over to Everett to see my family. I'll empty the bowl before then and measure how much sludge ends up in there. Performance-wise, there does seem to be an improvement, but it's small enough that it could just be psychological. I really wish I could get some before & after dyno numbers to see if there really is a difference. Feels stronger when climbing hills though.
As far as economy, right now I'm averaging 13.5-14 MPG. After a couple weeks I'll see if it changes at all and report back.

Overall, given that everything that ends up in it is NOT making its way into my intake, I'm pretty happy with it. Worth doing, IMO.
 
Does the PCV valve sit in the valve cover on the 62's?

Nice write-up. I am interested in how much oil you get in it.
 
Does the PCV valve sit in the valve cover on the 62's?

Nice write-up. I am interested in how much oil you get in it.

Yeah. Just a couple inches forward of the aft hold-down bolt.
 
This thread brings back memories before I rebuilt my engine. I don't see any reason not to do this if it keeps this from happening:

https://forum.ih8mud.com/60-series-wagons/33072-pcv-line-clogged-how-clean.html

Holy crap, that's gnarly. Makes me want to pull mine and see if there's any buildup in there or not. It does pull enough of a vacuum to bring the crankcase gas through the filter, so I now it's not completely clogged. I oughta hook my vacuum gauge up to it tomorrow...
 
I've got a much larger catch can on my 2FE that is filled with steel wool - despite all of the baffling in the valve cover the PCV does pull oil. I had a much smaller version on my previous engine and that filled about half way every gas up but that engine had 20% leakdown in the #5 cylinder due to a bad rebuild that contributed to the problem. I'll be very interested to see how much yours collects.
 
stupid question... i don't have a 62. Does it have two pcvs? where is it connected to the crank case.

Only one on a 62 - it's in the value cover. 2Fs have them on the side cover.
 
stupid question... i don't have a 62. Does it have two pcvs? where is it connected to the crank case.

In the last two pics you can see where the hose comes out the top of the valve cover (that's right where the PCV valve and grommet are), goes to the far end of the filter assembly, then out the other side and into the hard line connected to the intake manifold. Different from a 60's setup, but not so much that what I did wouldn't work on a 2F.
 
how does a 62 pull the gases out of the crankcase/oil pan? are there some internal passages?

No internal passages (at least, not dedicated to the PCV system that is). It just uses intake manifold vacuum to pull clean air from the intake duct through the crankcase and into the PCV system. This clean air collects the noxious fumes and oil "vapor" and is pulled out of the crankcase via the PCV system.
 
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how does a 62 pull the gases out of the crankcase/oil pan? are there some internal passages?

There is a pretty straight shot back to the crank case from the rocker arm assembly. The oil drains back down that way near the pushrods (behind the side cover) and the lifters (cam followers). So there is free-air between the top and bottom.

EDIT: I guess Rockdoc was faster than me. :D
 
yeah, that's kind of what I'm getting at. there are usually two "blow bys"... above the piston and below the piston. I was just wondering how a 62 deals with the below the piston "blow by" Above is the wimpy blow by that gets pulled into the fresh air... below is the nasty crap that gets pulled up into the manifold base.
 
George showed me his PCV "catch can" that he did on his 80 at CMCC. I didn't know what to think of it or if his reason for installing it would prove worthwhile. Needless to say I am very interested in the results seen by this mod.
 
Update: only driven 80 miles with it installed so far and it's already got just under what looks like a tablespoon's worth of crap in the bottom. More gunk that's not ending up in my intake manifold, awesome :cool:
 
Every one of those cheap poly receiver dryers I have ever come across say in bold print that oil will break them down and cause the plastic to fail.

Very likely. This one did too. The system is under no more than 22in of vacuum though, and never any pressure, so I'm not worried about catastrophic failure. Worst case scenario is I'll feel the plastic getting thin or soft, and will then have to replace it. No big woop. I'm keeping my eyes open for one that uses a glass bowl, but the downside of that is I can't easily cut threads into the glass for a clean plug installation to replace the valve with.
 
UPDATE

I've now driven just over 250 miles since installing this and it's already almost a quarter full of goop. Very surprising as to how fast it's filling up. I'll take an actual measurement when I hit 1000 miles on it to see about how much the PCV system sucks out of the crankcase.

Also, I just filled up this morning and calculated the mileage from this last tank to 15.9 MPG! This is just my first fillup on this thing though, so no real average yet. I haven't seen anywhere even close to this in many years (last time was on stock sized A/T tires, driving 60-65 MPG all the way across WA on HWY2, not romping it to pass anyone or even coming across anything that slowed me down much. Despite that, this last tank I was driving it pretty hard to pass people on the highway and get around some asswipe kid who wanted to play road games in his Geo (seriously, WTF? It's like a Coke can Vs. an anvil) and holding 90 MPH for a decent amount of time to pass him.

This little mod is looking GOOOOOOD so far. After about five fillups I'll take an average of my economy and see where it lands me.
 
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