Owner Experience Thread - Miscellaneous (4 Viewers)

[Phillyd2]

Here is some info on how we had to wire the winch on the Sequoia with the hybrid system

Sorry but that's just crazy and extremely shortsighted of Toyota. It's not like a winch is some sort of niche accessory. Although maybe niche considering who's buy these things and how they are used but still......

 

[OSS]

It’s not shortsighted. It’s intentional

 

[Phillyd2]

It’s not shortsighted. It’s intentional

It can be and is both.

 

[onemanarmy]

these things are made for the dealership and the concrete jungle

 

[wngrog]

these things are made for the dealership and the concrete jungle

I could probably find where people said that about the 60, 80, 100 and 200…..

 

[ryanjl]

I haven’t searched for a long term power tap under the hood but the jumper connection worked for running an air compressor.

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Couldn’t find much info on this being the proper place to run it but the manual said this is where to jump start. Worked fine to air up after off road. Viair 400p compressor.

Those taps are much less substantial than what the new Defender has, so if that's all the 250's got, it's going to take running some heavy gauge wire from the battery in the back up to the front to run a winch.

 

[wngrog]

To Premium or not to Premium …..

 

[M1911]

I don't want to start a thread for this, but why would anyone choose the Toyota version over the Lexus version?

Fuel economy and price.

 

[sogncab]

Fuel economy and price.

I don't get it, but I don't have to.

 

[M1911]

I don't get it, but I don't have to.

What don't you get? That some people would rather pay $60K rather than $72k+? Or that some people would rather get ~22 mpg rather than 17 mpg?

What's hard to understand about that?

Personally I'd rather have the extra power and luxury, but I can certainly understand why some people would choose the 250 instead.

 

[ryanjl]

I don't get it, but I don't have to.

I'll give another answer.

This is all my personal opinion, but you asked.

It has nothing to do with money for me. I'm not a super baller or anything, but the price difference between a Lexus and a Land Cruiser isn't so great that one is out of line for me.

Lexus' design language has been repulsive to me for a while. They make fantastic vehicles, but I haven't desired any 4x4 they've made since maybe the LX450 or 470. Even then, I'd much rather have the Toyota version. You know that saying that you should drive a car that you keep wanting to look back at after you park and walk away? If I drove a lot of late model Lexus 4x4s, I'd park and then run for my life.

The GX550 is miles better than what they've had for a while - to the point where I do like it - but I still much prefer the way the Land Cruiser looks.

And - again my perception - "Lexus" as a brand to me invokes hairdressers and old retirees. I can't think of the name "Lexus" without thinking of the brand's trademark beige metallic color. Again, my own personal hangup, but I just can't do it.

So, again. Fantastic vehicles. Probably the best made in terms of function and reliability. But looks-wise.... To put it in wristwatch terms, I'm a steel Speedmaster/Submariner guy, and not a gold Datejust guy.

 

[wngrog]

I'll give another answer.

This is all my personal opinion, but you asked.

It has nothing to do with money for me. I'm not a super baller or anything, but the price difference between a Lexus and a Land Cruiser isn't so great that one is out of line for me.

Lexus' design language has been repulsive to me for a while. They make fantastic vehicles, but I haven't desired any 4x4 they've made since maybe the LX450 or 470. Even then, I'd much rather have the Toyota version. You know that saying that you should drive a car that you keep wanting to look back at after you park and walk away? If I drove a lot of late model Lexus 4x4s, I'd park and then run for my life.

The GX550 is miles better than what they've had for a while - to the point where I do like it - but I still much prefer the way the Land Cruiser looks.

And - again my perception - "Lexus" as a brand to me invokes hairdressers and old retirees. I can't think of the name "Lexus" without thinking of the brand's trademark beige metallic color. Again, my own personal hangup, but I just can't do it.

So, again. Fantastic vehicles. Probably the best made in terms of function and reliability. But looks-wise.... To put it in wristwatch terms, I'm a steel Speedmaster/Submariner guy, and not a gold Datejust guy.

This.

Same with the 6Th Gen 4Runner and Land Cruiser question.

I had 2 TRD Pros. Absolute amazing vehicles but I could not integrate into the 4Runner world.

 

[SanJuanJ]

I'll give another answer.

This is all my personal opinion, but you asked.

It has nothing to do with money for me. I'm not a super baller or anything, but the price difference between a Lexus and a Land Cruiser isn't so great that one is out of line for me.

Lexus' design language has been repulsive to me for a while. They make fantastic vehicles, but I haven't desired any 4x4 they've made since maybe the LX450 or 470. Even then, I'd much rather have the Toyota version. You know that saying that you should drive a car that you keep wanting to look back at after you park and walk away? If I drove a lot of late model Lexus 4x4s, I'd park and then run for my life.

The GX550 is miles better than what they've had for a while - to the point where I do like it - but I still much prefer the way the Land Cruiser looks.

And - again my perception - "Lexus" as a brand to me invokes hairdressers and old retirees. I can't think of the name "Lexus" without thinking of the brand's trademark beige metallic color. Again, my own personal hangup, but I just can't do it.

So, again. Fantastic vehicles. Probably the best made in terms of function and reliability. But looks-wise.... To put it in wristwatch terms, I'm a steel Speedmaster/Submariner guy, and not a gold Datejust guy.

Totally agreed, except the GX made a huge jump in the looks department and it's now ahead of the 250 lineup IMHO. It looks modern, but still rugged. It doesn't have any of the Lexus chrome-accented partly-melted-potato look that has repelled me from ever buying a Lexus product. And I'm not into any of the "retro" styled modern vehicles, except for the Defender (mainly because it doesn't look retro to me at all).

That combined with more power, 'nuf said (assuming i'm ever convinced the V6TT won't have a stroke). But this is all 100% subjective stuff!

Cheers!

 

[sogncab]

I'm not knocking anyone's opinions or thoughts.

I agree the LC version looks better, but that's subjective, they're both ugly AF

that hybrid stuff is a big turn off for me. One more system to fail, AA and I don't take get upset about mileage until I'm in the single digits if the tank is big enough. 7mpg on a 12 gallon tank gets old in a hurry.

I'm in the same boat, either would fit my budget. Then for a few bucks more you've got the unproven reliability of the Ineos. That thing kinda makes my pants tight. Especially if they sold it as a roller.

I daily a 40, so options don't really mean anything either. Lol

 

[Fort9378]

I'm not knocking anyone's opinions or thoughts.

I agree the LC version looks better, but that's subjective, they're both ugly AF

that hybrid stuff is a big turn off for me. One more system to fail, AA and I don't take get upset about mileage until I'm in the single digits if the tank is big enough. 7mpg on a 12 gallon tank gets old in a hurry.

I'm in the same boat, either would fit my budget. Then for a few bucks more you've got the unproven reliability of the Ineos. That thing kinda makes my pants tight. Especially if they sold it as a roller.

I daily a 40, so options don't really mean anything either. Lol

I'd already be driving an Ineos if they didn't go the Tesla route and ditch the gauge cluster. I really really hate that design in vehicles.

 

[SanJuanJ]

I'm not knocking anyone's opinions or thoughts.

I agree the LC version looks better, but that's subjective, they're both ugly AF

that hybrid stuff is a big turn off for me. One more system to fail, AA and I don't take get upset about mileage until I'm in the single digits if the tank is big enough. 7mpg on a 12 gallon tank gets old in a hurry.

I'm in the same boat, either would fit my budget. Then for a few bucks more you've got the unproven reliability of the Ineos. That thing kinda makes my pants tight. Especially if they sold it as a roller.

I daily a 40, so options don't really mean anything either. Lol

The Ineos checks almost all of the boxes. But the deal killer for me is I'm not buying a vehicle with a 0-60 time that's slower than my 4Runner, which I find pretty painful to drive on a daily basis. I fully realize that's not why you buy an off-road vehicle. But I also realize this thing's my daily driver and driving a dog is, well, driving a dog. If Ineos offered a small block old-shcool v8 option, done deal.

 

[sogncab]

Thats where a roller option would be sweet. They don't sell a standard transmission or diesel in the US either. Both are boxes I would check given the option

 

[SanJuanJ]

Thats where a roller option would be sweet. They don't sell a standard transmission or diesel in the US either. Both are boxes I would check given the option

A roller option from the factory would 101% be a project I'd love to take on.

 

[Clemson TLC]

This will give you an idea of the IForce Max drivetrain.



In my 250, the regenerative charge current and power assist current swings from +/- 100 Amps based on data via OBDII-Fusion App.

I have a 2020 Avalon Hybrid as a daily driver which has a totally different hybrid system. I get 40 to 50 MPG with the Avalon. The Avalon system is a beefed up version of the time tested and improved Prius hybrid system. It's a genius design using a planetary gear with three inputs/outputs which interconnect the gas engine, motor/generator, and motor/axles.

You get the biggest benefit from a hybrid system by using progressive braking instead of hard braking. Brake pads should last a very long time.

 

[M1911]

I'm not knocking anyone's opinions or thoughts.

I agree the LC version looks better, but that's subjective, they're both ugly AF

that hybrid stuff is a big turn off for me. One more system to fail, AA and I don't take get upset about mileage until I'm in the single digits if the tank is big enough. 7mpg on a 12 gallon tank gets old in a hurry.

I'm in the same boat, either would fit my budget. Then for a few bucks more you've got the unproven reliability of the Ineos. That thing kinda makes my pants tight. Especially if they sold it as a roller.

I daily a 40, so options don't really mean anything either. Lol

Toyota has been building hybrids for decades. Toyota is very, very good at building hybrids.

Ineos, in contrast, has no track record. Also the Grenadier has relatively poor articulation and the traction control tuning is very bad. There are videos of the Grenadier struggling to get through an obstacle that a 200 walks through easily.