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I've never seen a shoulder look like that at my grocery stores. Never any skin, and never a leg bone portion. Are you sure the butcher wasn't just lazy?
So how did it turn out?Doesn't the Primo have an insert to allow indirect heat ala the BGE's Conveggtor? It seems you're using the beans for that. Do the beans stand up well to the hours on the coals after cooking? Do you add more liquid during the cook? Ever try to cook them while they sit there on the grill?
BTW, I did Hasenpfeffer tonight on the stove. Working out the kinks in my new wabbit season favorite. Sooooooooo good. Was planning on grilling the rabbit but the weather didn't cooperate.
I've never seen a shoulder look like that at my grocery stores. Never any skin, and never a leg bone portion. Are you sure the butcher wasn't just lazy?
Doesn't the Primo have an insert to allow indirect heat ala the BGE's Conveggtor? It seems you're using the beans for that. Do the beans stand up well to the hours on the coals after cooking? Do you add more liquid during the cook? Ever try to cook them while they sit there on the grill?
BTW, I did Hasenpfeffer tonight on the stove. Working out the kinks in my new wabbit season favorite. Sooooooooo good. Was planning on grilling the rabbit but the weather didn't cooperate.
Hey John!
The shoulder was the primal cut - full shoulder butt and hock. You get both bones. Both are in the crock pot along with the skin and some extra fat making some pork stock for later. It is cheaper than a bone out butt, but you pay for the bone/skin and it all cooks the same, just take longer and more work. I think it was $0.99/lb at BJs vs $1.59 for the boneless. I am just cheap
I have the charcoal separator (plate) and the hanging racks. The plate is good if you are wanting to do one side or do some grilling on the other. For using the whole grill as a smoker, the hanging racks are nice. They have some expensive plates for it, but better to catch dripping in a pan vs splatter off those ceramic plates. Using the rack plus the chaffing dishes fit on it perfect - steel or aluminum. I almost always use this - sometimes add the double rack on top for smaller stuff - it cooks really hot up there, though. Some of the guys on the Primo forums put sand in their steel chaffing dishes. If I am not doing beans, I just put the steel dish in.
Beans are done. They were still too firm after 30 mins in the pressure cooker and about 7 hours in the smoker. I put on low today in the croc pot, and they were perfect. Added vinegar, honey, sugar, some left over salsa, pork rub, a little bbq sauce, salt this AM. Pretty good. First time using Maple - and I really liked it.
You got to put them on pretty soaked. I did about 2 lbs of beans and then fill up the chaffing dish most of the way with liquids. I will usually spray the pork bbq with cider/juice/stock with a spray bottle, but this time I just dumped a quart of chicken stock on it about half way through and then stirred the beans a bit. Sometimes they do get well done on the bottom if you don't stir them. You do need to add about 2 cups to a quart of liquid every 4-6 hours.
Never tried to do them on the grill by themselves - I am sure it would be about the same situation if not easier - - I just use them to catch drippings and make the beans wholly unhealthy. I do almonds like that too - - put in a little bacon grease or healthier oil and salt and smoke them till they are dark brown.
Pulled the shoulder out last night and it was only about 150 internal after about 7 hours at <250. Had it in the oven all day today at 225 and that was too low. It only got up to about 175. Upped the oven to 275 tonight and just got through chopping/pulling it and seasoning and putting it away. It was still about 190 in the coldest spot, so I just chopped it against the grain and then removed all the stuff I didn't want w/ the meat to put in the crock pot. Added a cup of vinegar to the pan I used for the beans and later for the oven for the 2nd day of the shoulder. Vinegar deglazed the pan added in the chopped pork with rub and tossed. Most of the bbq we do here doens't get eaten until later. I typically just smoke stuff for 4-5 hours, wrap it in foil, and then finish in an oven whenever we want to eat it.
First I have heard of Hasenpfeffer! Looked it up and sounds really good. I don't know much about seasoning rabbit. I was just getting into rubs for duck before I had to move. Would love to hear what you use on rabbit.
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Gotta eat Cheesy Corn with KC BBQ, btw.
Edit: Which we did last night and it was all good. We sliced off a bit of the bottom of the butt and laid it over the cheesy corn in a dutch oven to cook the cheesy corn.
Edit: Which we did last night and it was all good. We sliced off a bit of the bottom of the butt and laid it over the cheesy corn in a dutch oven to cook the cheesy corn.
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Man, Now I have drool all over my shirt.
@weejub Dude? Really? No way! Did you never see a single Bugs Bunny/Yosemite Sam/Elmer Fudd cartoon? One of my goals in life is to have a Looney Tunes-themed dinner where I serve both Hasenpfeffer and a smoked duck, thereby putting an end to the great "Duck Season/Wabbit Season" debate.
The Asian grocery sell 10-packs of uncooked duck heads. I'm gotta get working on cutting them up to make one look like Elmer Fudd just blasted Daffy in the face and spun his beak around. Idle hands and rainy days are a bad combination around here.
The Asian grocery sell 10-packs of uncooked duck heads. I'm gotta get working on cutting them up to make one look like Elmer Fudd just blasted Daffy in the face and spun his beak around. Idle hands and rainy days are a bad combination around here.
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RANT. "Just because you can, does not mean that you should" Take a look at this video.
OK, I agree that it is a pretty cool CONCEPT and indeed appears to work in real world application. But what happens when one of the TWELVE sensors dies, and then another, you get it. You guys aware that things like a brake light switch are fast becoming obsolete? Everything is being controlled electronically and requires multiple, you guessed it, sensors. That suspension set up has more sensors than a Vortec motor.
My overall point here is that vehicles have come to a point where you pretty much are forced to return to the dealer for work. Th large percentage of people are then far too scared of going it alone without a warranty once it runs out so they are out buying another new car with a warranty to fix all those little sensors.
Most of us drive around in vehicles that are pushing 20 years old, or have already passed that mark. They all have issues, you bet but they also have systems that are factory and still working just fine. When something does break, we can repair it in our own garage. I do not see the electronics of today's cars lasting that long. I'd rather build a new old truck than buy a new new truck and if I buy the right one it may just keep increasing in value
OK, I agree that it is a pretty cool CONCEPT and indeed appears to work in real world application. But what happens when one of the TWELVE sensors dies, and then another, you get it. You guys aware that things like a brake light switch are fast becoming obsolete? Everything is being controlled electronically and requires multiple, you guessed it, sensors. That suspension set up has more sensors than a Vortec motor.
My overall point here is that vehicles have come to a point where you pretty much are forced to return to the dealer for work. Th large percentage of people are then far too scared of going it alone without a warranty once it runs out so they are out buying another new car with a warranty to fix all those little sensors.
Most of us drive around in vehicles that are pushing 20 years old, or have already passed that mark. They all have issues, you bet but they also have systems that are factory and still working just fine. When something does break, we can repair it in our own garage. I do not see the electronics of today's cars lasting that long. I'd rather build a new old truck than buy a new new truck and if I buy the right one it may just keep increasing in value
I am bipartisan on things like that. My first reaction is WTF, do we need that? But the on the other hand tech evolution comes in many ways, and you never know how the next idea would help in a way it was not intended too.
I used to think, if you dont know how to use one of these below, you shouldn't be out there with a map pretending to navigate. Thats how I learned to read and use maps.
Now, I use GaiaGPS like a proper tenderfoot wussie. Always thinking what you gonna do if your iPad craps out? Then I pull my iPhone... so pothole identification, I would have liked to have it in my last ambulance ride! Then again, in 50 years we will all be chicks....
I used to think, if you dont know how to use one of these below, you shouldn't be out there with a map pretending to navigate. Thats how I learned to read and use maps.
Now, I use GaiaGPS like a proper tenderfoot wussie. Always thinking what you gonna do if your iPad craps out? Then I pull my iPhone... so pothole identification, I would have liked to have it in my last ambulance ride! Then again, in 50 years we will all be chicks....
LOL - great stuff here. I have killed a few jack rabbits in my youth, back when I was a menace to nature.
I have had Rarebit, but never Rabbit! Dad ate squirrel, rabbit, turtle, frog, etc. I always seemed to get out of eating that stuff as a kid somehow.
Duck head on a stick is popular somewhere in Asia - can't remember where.
Got my new driver license in the mail today. The pic they took in 2008 is now gonna be good until 2024. I already get the "That's not you". Imagine what it'll be like when I'm 16 years older than the pic! And it's a fancy pink, yellow, light blue and white - @CharlestonG8R would love it.
Yep. It was the easiest DMV experience I could possibly imagine.
I just went this route too this year. Mostly cause I waited to last day and the place was a zoo. Do be prepared though it will take about two weeks to get in hand. Sucks cause I never liked that pic anyways but was the smoothest dmv experience ever. Almost to suspiciously easy. Think it works as long as no info changed including eye rx
For the past 4 years I've used a CPA to file my taxes because I assumed they'd be difficult. At $300 to have the CPA do the job, I decided this year to do it myself with TurboTax. Man am I glad I did. The CPA was awesome, and he always sent me a christmas card (it's the little things) but TurboTax was super cheap and easy.
TurboTax is awesome!
TurboTax is awesome!
I've used Turbo tax for years now...cheap and easy. Now this year its saying I owe the Feds a good chunk, but get a small State return, quite the opposite of what I've seen in the past.
Seems odd, as nothing really has changed in my life, but I don't really want to pay someone to confirm my fears.
Seems odd, as nothing really has changed in my life, but I don't really want to pay someone to confirm my fears.
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I would question that much of a change in your taxes. I had a similar issue and was using a CPA. All of a sudden the regular guy is gone and a new woman in the firm is doing my taxes and had me owing something like $16K, it's been 8 years so number may be off.
I was drawing blueprints for a living. She tells me I need to buy a backhoe or something for the deduction. I told her I draw blueprints, sit at a desk, why the hell do I need a backhoe? She says "Oh, that changes everything" FIRED!!!!! She saw A.E. Stanley Builders and concluded I am out building houses every day.
Point being, this was a human being at the same firm I had used. New person that did not even bother to investigate the nature of my business. I'd not expect better from a computer that had only a finite amount of leeway on any one line item.
I was drawing blueprints for a living. She tells me I need to buy a backhoe or something for the deduction. I told her I draw blueprints, sit at a desk, why the hell do I need a backhoe? She says "Oh, that changes everything" FIRED!!!!! She saw A.E. Stanley Builders and concluded I am out building houses every day.
Point being, this was a human being at the same firm I had used. New person that did not even bother to investigate the nature of my business. I'd not expect better from a computer that had only a finite amount of leeway on any one line item.
Tax laws change yearly. Pay someone you trust if you want peace of mind. I used to use Turbo Tax when our stuff was easy, and it was great. Now we pay someone. Don't forget that you get to write off costs associated with tax prep. That can be the cost of the program or the cost of a professional.