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So, picture this, I'm arriving at the gate of a military base (dont' ask which). There is a public road crossing that area that goes through the base. Didn't know the road was actually on the base, and I'm just following a rough map in a book. Just want to cross the base to get to the other side (or else a huge detour).

I stop at the gate. Police officer comes out. Wants all my truck paperwork. Bit of confusion about my registration get things started iffy fast. Never mind that part. Got cleared up eventually.


-following is a loose interpretation of what transpired on the radio front-



He points at the main body (face plate and antenna stashed away) of my 7800 that's sitting next to my seat. Says "what's all the equipment?".

Me: it's a ham radio.

Him: do you have a license?

Me: Yes

Do you have it with you?

Me: Errrr..... No, not aware I had to carry it with me.

(Never heard that. I did not point out that you don't even need a license to buy or own a radio, or that a spy could have parked a mile before the gate with a van full of ultra-sensitive receivers. I was trying to be diplomatic...)

It went downhill fast after that.

Him: "I have the "warm and fuzzies" about this. How do I know you're not going to listen to the military radios? When I was abroad as a radio operator, people were listening all the time..."

Me (thinking silently) I think it's not illegal to listen outside of cell phone bands? Don't they sell scanners over the counter?

Out loud: "not planning to listen. The setup is dismantled and not operational right now, it's just for emergencies."

Him: "What's with the big antenna (points at the 80 radio antenna mast)? And you can put it back together and connect it if you want...."

On and on about how he does not like me having the radio. Tells me / hints at how a 2 way radio is somehow bad. Hints that I can transmit on military frequencies. Numerous times "I have the warm and fuzzies about this". and "I would feel better if it were not working"



Me: "it's a ham radio, it can't transmit on other frequencies"

Him: "How do I know you haven't modified it, you can change it"


-skipping various exchanges-


him: "have you registered your vehicle as a mobile operator?"

me: Errrr... no, didn't know I was supposed to do that.

him: "yes you must. You must know the rules. There is a question about that in the license exam." Goes on about how one should know laws.


me (thinking silently) - Never heard a thing about this. Where is this all coming from?

and on and on...



By then I have 3 or 4 police officers shining flashlights inside my truck.



I'm bracing myself for the full body cavity search at that point.... :eek:



Finally, the sergeant comes over. Brief discussion with the officer who's being giving me the 3rd degree. 30 seconds later: You're free to go...


I just had to ask the sergeant: "do you also think that there is a need to register the vehicle as a mobile operator for a ham radio " He says yes but did not seem too sure. Another guy pipes up" Yes, and you'll get a license plate with a symbol in the corner".



(Oh yea, the first officer also told me earlier that hams need to have a license plate with the call sign on it.... )


anyway, finally got out of there after about an hour or so, thankfully without the cavity search....



the vagaries of being a ham... I thought having a ham radio in the truck was good additional protection for emergencies and good for public service.... maybe not, eh? :)

carry one in sight at your own risk ... :D



added: I have no idea where this was all coming from. I won't try to guess. In retrospect, though, heck, if the guy had told me something like "be sure not to transmit while on the base cuz there is some possibility of interference, I would have snapped to attention and said sure. But that or other similar reasonable concerns never came into the picture. Still dumbfounded...

Oh, yea, at one point one of the other officers points out at the Hi-Lift on the back of the spare tire and says "those are the best". Yea, got some brownie points courtesy of Hi-lift of all things! Probably didn't help that the truck looks like some sort of armored military vehicle, though... :D
 
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i know for a fact that most of what they were saying is bull s*** must have been bored with nothing to do but bust balls. Most militarily channels are incripted anyways nowadays
thanks for the read :popcorn:
 
I question this??

I used to run service at a class one military facility. Little Airmen ran around this facility with M-16's and I was fully escorted everywhere.

I ran HF, VHF and UHF all the time. My truck had an 80 Meter Kilowatt resonator on a Hustler stick. No one once said one word about my gear. The facility I ran service at is a very, very, very critical installation to our national security.
 
I belive he means that he questions what reason they had to jack with you so much.
 
I just had to ask the sergeant: "do you also think that there is a need to register the vehicle as a mobile operator for a ham radio " He says yes but did not seem too sure. Another guy pipes up" Yes, and you'll get a license plate with a symbol in the corner".

I just took my tech exam last week, and (at least here in MD) the license plates are basically vanity plates. It's just to show that you're a ham radio fan and to get your call sign visible to other traveling HAMs.

Seems to me like most of the questions are due to amateur radio ignorance. And they came from someone who probably hasn't had the "warm and fuzzies" with someone else in a while :p.
 
I just took my tech exam last week, and (at least here in MD) the license plates are basically vanity plates. It's just to show that you're a ham radio fan and to get your call sign visible to other traveling HAMs.

Seems to me like most of the questions are due to amateur radio ignorance. And they came from someone who probably hasn't had the "warm and fuzzies" with someone else in a while :p.


weird too is that the "warm and fuzzies" expression would indeed normally express positive feelings I would think, but he sure didn't mean it that way.... :rolleyes:

(at least I think / hope so.... :eek: :eek::eek:)


maybe the guy was just simply plain dumb? surely he could not have faked this whole thing just to annoy me?
 
So, Eric, when did you get your HAM license? Are you a tech or something higher?
 
So, Eric, when did you get your HAM license? Are you a tech or something higher?


a year or so ago, I think. I planned for Tech but took the General on a whim anyway, which I failed by a one or 2 questions only. I don't plan on studying seriously for that and getting a HF, though. At least for now. Not sure that HF is much better for wheeling commo.
 
You don't need to have your vehicle registered as a mobile station. You DO need to have your license in your possession if you are going to transmit.
 
I agree with the officer on this one. You have 11,000 posts and some chick with a finger to the left of your mostly pointless posts. You should just drive past them next time yelling crazy talk.
 
You don't need to have your vehicle registered as a mobile station. You DO need to have your license in your possession if you are going to transmit.


would you know where one would find language to that effect in the FCC rules?
 
would you know where one would find language to that effect in the FCC rules?

Making me dig for it will ya? I believe it's covered under 97.103(c). The station and it's records need to be available for inspection. Records includes your license.

Sec. 97.103 Station licensee responsibilities.

(a) The station licensee is responsible for the proper operation of the
station in accordance with the FCC Rules. When the control operator is a
different amateur operator than the station licensee, both persons are
equally responsible for proper operation of the station.

(b) The station licensee must designate the station control operator. The
FCC will presume that the station licensee is also the control operator,
unless documentation to the contrary is in the station records.

(c) The station licensee must make the station and the station records
available for inspection upon request by an FCC representative. When deemed
necessary by an EIC to assure compliance with the FCC Rules, the station
licensee must maintain a record of station operations containing such items
of information as the EIC may require in accord with Sec. 0.314(x) of the FCC
Rules.
 
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Not sure that HF is much better for wheeling commo.


I carry an HF radio mainly for emergencies when I'm deep in Outer BFE. There are lots of places where 2m just won't make it to the outside world. Can't beat 2m for rig to rig though.
 
Making me dig for it will ya? I believe it's covered under 97.103(c). The station and it's records need to be available for inspection. Records includes your license.

Sec. 97.103 Station licensee responsibilities.

(a) The station licensee is responsible for the proper operation of the
station in accordance with the FCC Rules. When the control operator is a
different amateur operator than the station licensee, both persons are
equally responsible for proper operation of the station.

(b) The station licensee must designate the station control operator. The
FCC will presume that the station licensee is also the control operator,
unless documentation to the contrary is in the station records.

(c) The station licensee must make the station and the station records
available for inspection upon request by an FCC representative. When deemed
necessary by an EIC to assure compliance with the FCC Rules, the station
licensee must maintain a record of station operations containing such items
of information as the EIC may require in accord with Sec. 0.314(x) of the FCC
Rules.

So the way I read this is that I need to carry my license with me in the cruiser so it can be reviewed by an FCC REPRESENTATIVE. In this case the person that requested the information was not a representitative of the FCC, correct? But to be in compliance I guess I need to start carrying my license with me in the cruiser. I guess you have to carry it with you if you have a handheld unit also anytime you have a radio on your person.
 
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