How many leaves (leafs?) can safely be taken out of a medium set of Dakars? Front? Rear? Let's consider stock with no armor.
OME Dakar install: this look right to you? (1 Viewer)
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Taking the bottom from the front makes a noticeable difference in ride with little height loss.
The rear can afford the two bottom leaves
The rear can afford the two bottom leaves
mine did the same thing!! when i called to complain they told me i need to drive a few thousand miles so the springs could settle!!! now my front right one sunk even more so i just bought a replacement medium/heavy duty to see if it helps
The 3rd leaf (front the top of pack) on the CS017R spring can be pulled, generally it drops ~1" out of the pack. This spring is an AAL style spring and non-integral, i.e. it doesn't have the bushing ends, military wrap or the clip liners. Sadly, 1" isn't going to make any difference when we need more like 3". One could pull two leaves as suggested and can/has been done with great results, but we still are not going to get near the 3" total lift range we want.
I'm volleying emails back and forth with the OME tech gents, they are very receptive to this and I'm confident we'll get something figured out shortly. Both they and I just want to make sure that any replacement sent out isn't going to do the same thing (i.e. a batch of springs with the wrong specs). I've checked with local customers running the CS017RA springs and they definitely didn't get the 5-6" several of you are unfortunately dealing with, so the issue becomes figuring out a. why and b. what springs are going to be the fix. Thankfully this seems to be a rather isolated issue, as I mentioned to jawjatek we've sold/installed hundreds of these setups with great results... doesn't mean anything to those with "super-rake" as I'm calling it but at least it explains why we want to figure out the how, what, where, why on a fix for you gents. For the two of you that emailed me, I should have an update for you both tomorrow. Thanks again for your patience!
I installed two CS005R on my chassis. To curb the stinkbug to the max i devised a rear spring setter. lol
Left it this way for a couple months.
Seemed to help
Left it this way for a couple months.
Seemed to help
Perhaps if you call ARB and complain enough they'll trade you straight over for CS004's for your trouble.
It's a two stage spring so you will have more load potential for camping etc. I've heard multiple opinions as to the fact the ride is actually better and the stance is flatter. I would suspect that this is at least partly due to the fact that the 004's have the friction pads at the end of the leaves and the 017's don't. They actually do make a difference. Chances are they are going to have to swap springs with you anyway.
If this is an issue with a production batch the 004's might be a safer alternative
It's a two stage spring so you will have more load potential for camping etc. I've heard multiple opinions as to the fact the ride is actually better and the stance is flatter. I would suspect that this is at least partly due to the fact that the 004's have the friction pads at the end of the leaves and the 017's don't. They actually do make a difference. Chances are they are going to have to swap springs with you anyway.
If this is an issue with a production batch the 004's might be a safer alternative
Joe_ [IMG said:
Now thats a good looking Sixty!
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This is fine with me. I even asked Kurt as much. At this point my Cruiser is sitting on jack stands and the 017s are coming off shortly... and they aren't going back on. I'm sure Kurt will get it sorted out with ARB. In the meantime I'm driving my taco... 2wd 4 cyl, boring yet dependable.
Yet WAY better on gas mileage
I know, you're probably itching to drive the 60 though...
It'll get sorted out fer sher.
This is your best option, I think.
I have the CS005s and were I to do it again, I'd go with CS004s for the reasons LCWiz mentions.
The CS005s are fine, but just overkill for getting anywhere in So Calif.
Fwiw the CS017R springs always have had the same friction pads on all but the AAL style leaf and the same military wraps as the 4R/4R. That said, I think for these super rake issues, the CS004RB is going to be the better springs.
2WD??? Now I feel really bad. I'm thinking the CS004RB is going to be the better solution for your truck, more room to grow and FAR less height out of them. As I mentioned in the email, we are pulling all our CS017RA/B springs and measuring them, seems to be an isolated issue with a certain batch of springs affected. Good news is it should be easy to isolate, bad news is you'll have to swap springs. Will update again via email on your specifics.
I had also a lot of problems with the dakkar springs.
I had the problem with the famous clonk https://vimeo.com/73066922 which was really unacceptable.I find the problem with installing a go pro under the car.Had to change the the rear + spring because she was way over arced witch causes a enormous lean to one side.
Now I have two - springs in the back and the truck is levelled and no more clonk.
A other problem is that before the ome lift my 33,12,5 x15 front tyres did no rub but with the lift they do
1 pic is before the lift
I had the problem with the famous clonk https://vimeo.com/73066922 which was really unacceptable.I find the problem with installing a go pro under the car.Had to change the the rear + spring because she was way over arced witch causes a enormous lean to one side.
Now I have two - springs in the back and the truck is levelled and no more clonk.
A other problem is that before the ome lift my 33,12,5 x15 front tyres did no rub but with the lift they do
1 pic is before the lift
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Replacement rears were delivered Monday from ARB/OME; a pair of CS004RB. My friends shop is unavailable, so I made do by myself solo in my garage at home. Managed to get both springs on and almost finished, but decided to finish up after work tomorrow. I'll take some pics after its all done and I drive it a bit to settle.
Only banged one finger which hurt like hell but no blood. I was using a crescent wrench (I know, I know) because I had neither a deep enough socket nor a wrench for the u-bolt nuts. I started hacksawing off the extra UB thread but ran out of gas with 2 to go. I'm all stove in. I'll finish up tomorrow. I'll be buying the wrench and socket tomorrow.
Only banged one finger which hurt like hell but no blood. I was using a crescent wrench (I know, I know) because I had neither a deep enough socket nor a wrench for the u-bolt nuts. I started hacksawing off the extra UB thread but ran out of gas with 2 to go. I'm all stove in. I'll finish up tomorrow. I'll be buying the wrench and socket tomorrow.
Wile E Coyote
Out in the streets, they call it murder!
Add a torque wrench to that list.
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Already have torque wrench! Got the stuff at Sears (left work very early) and finished installing new springs. Test drove it and bounced the rear up and down the driveway bump several times. Truck looks good! No more ridiculous rake (pics in a few). No lean; maybe a 1/4" high on driver's side.
Final measurements from level ground up to wheel well:
Front before 32-5/8" to 34-3/8" after , lift was @ 2.5 inches.
Rear before 31-1/8" to 35-1/4" after, lift was @ 3 inches, considering sag of original rear springs.
So the new rears brought it down a bunch, and now it is just very slightly raked, with no weight in the rear and no spare tire. When I add a rear bumper with swing-out tire carrier and jerry can rack, it should be fine. I did not remove any leaves from the CS004RBs, btw.
HAPPY!!!
Thanks to Kurt for going above and beyond to help me out, and to ARB/OME for making things right. Going to take some pics now...
Final measurements from level ground up to wheel well:
Front before 32-5/8" to 34-3/8" after , lift was @ 2.5 inches.
Rear before 31-1/8" to 35-1/4" after, lift was @ 3 inches, considering sag of original rear springs.
So the new rears brought it down a bunch, and now it is just very slightly raked, with no weight in the rear and no spare tire. When I add a rear bumper with swing-out tire carrier and jerry can rack, it should be fine. I did not remove any leaves from the CS004RBs, btw.
HAPPY!!!
Thanks to Kurt for going above and beyond to help me out, and to ARB/OME for making things right. Going to take some pics now...
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Eleven pics uploaded to photobucket. She looks a lot better now. Final measurements are shown in pics.
How much did it drop? Here is before:
and after...
Works for me.
How much did it drop? Here is before:
and after...
Works for me.
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