NorCal Wagons Rubicon Run 2006 #2

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Guys,

Got our shopping done. All systems go. Except....
Tonight as I was getting ready to put on my roof rack on La Cabra, I realized that there was some oil in the ground. Upon further inspection, I found that I have a major engine oil leak. The whole front bottom of the engine is covered with engine oil. Plus inner side wall of left tire and tire rods.
So I think it's best I stay behind this weekend. I need to find out where it's coming from and deal with that. I would not want it to get worse on the trail.

Regards

Alvaro
 
alvarorb said:
Guys,

Got our shopping done. All systems go. Except....
Tonight as I was getting ready to put on my roof rack on La Cabra, I realized that there was some oil in the ground. Upon further inspection, I found that I have a major engine oil leak. The whole front bottom of the engine is covered with engine oil. Plus inner side wall of left tire and tire rods.
So I think it's best I stay behind this weekend. I need to find out where it's coming from and deal with that. I would not want it to get worse on the trail.

Regards

Alvaro


:frown:


:idea:

I'll just bring extra oil :D
 
my and our first rubicon run

Good luck on Rubicon. Tree knows you are going to bash your 80 up a bit, right? That trail is a great experience.


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Andrew Pollock


Were back from the Rubicon. We went up yesterday and started the trail at about 9:30 am. We made Rubicon Springs by 6 pm. What an awesome experience. I can say "Been there, done that"
atleast in my 80. I would love todo the trail again and again but not in my daily driver. Sam drove the truck awesome. There were several points where the margin of error is so small. That is why I consider myself lucky with the small amount of damage the truck has. The dent I feared the most was the dent we got. A Norcal Doug sized fist dent into the just below the D pillar right at the PS rear taillight which cracked the rear tail light. This was at that point at the top of walker hill. Sam feared this spot as the most and after doing the trail seemed to be one of the toughest spots for an 80 on the con. I had several emotions about this, upset, pissed, a brief beeotch, but also realized how much worse the damage could've been. Considering how some trucks come through this obstacle I feel lucky. We know someone who backed into a tree driving out of a friends driveway and has worse damage in their beloved rig. I think my dent was more worth it. We got to see awesome land, beautiful streams, and enjoyed great company. We made it down Big Sluice. OH my god!!!!! Who would think you could go through there. Weren't tose boulders the size of the hood. As well as the holes on the other side of the rocks. The winch came handy again to pull Doug out of a tight spot here. Today we climbed cadillac hill. All went well after bret realized he needed a better line. This helped for Doug and Us. The erosion on the trail is incredible. I can't even imagine what it will look like next year or the year after. I'll post up pics of the trail and carnage as soon as I have them on the computer. Thanks guys for a great time. The kids loved it too.

Tree
 
Tree,

You guys spanked the trail.
Sounds like fun. Don't worry about the dent. It adds character to your rig.
Nice to hear that the winch worked out. We need a trip report.

Regards

Alvaro
 
My trip report

F……Me we made it.

Ok I have now accomplished both of the “hardcore” trails that I wanted to run just to be able to show and or say I did it. Both to prove driver skill and the ability of a lightly modded FZJ80 Land Cruiser, and maybe for the thrill too. :D Hells Gate and now the Con.


I Consider myself a good driver when I was a young boy I raced quarter midgets and was the Western States National Champion in both divisions (stock and ridged) one year. I grew up or a ranch and learned to drive in a 1 ton manual truck at like 9 or 10. I also have a lot of moderate 4 wheeling experience there was a time in my life that I went wheeling almost every day after work. I just never owned a rig that was designed for and capable of the hardcore stuff if one needed or wanted to.

First of all, any pictures or video that you may have seen……it’s worse……WAY WORSE!!!! I have run con like class 4-5 obstacles before but only small sections like maybe 30 feet or so and your out etc. But I have never seen anything like what I saw out there. I heard all the talk about the erosion of the last few years and people telling me“ you need min 35s to run the con” I also saw video clips of people taking bad lines and using to much of the skinny petal. I said to myself I think I can do this trail all you need is a little wheel placement, patience, and a good spotter though the tough spots.

I expected some tight spots and some with a small margin of error; but not like that. I expected boulder mine fields; but not like what I saw in the big sluice area. My god man…. The erosion in this area is so bad the boulders are over probably 50” and so are the holes. And not just a couple it’s a mine field of them. It does not look like a trail at all. When you see this you will understand why the most common tire size you see on the trail is 37”s and why most are trailered in too. This section of the trail blew me away I would rate that part a strong 5+ to 6. Another bad section is Cadillac Hill it is also really badly eroded even at this late a date there is still a creek running down the trail. Erosion control measures need to be taken here before this is totally impassable.

We started out really well; surprising well in fact. I thought that I would hang up much more than I did and bang and hit bottom throughout most of the trail but I wasn‘t. We moved through fairly well and did most of the trail with no spotting, and in reality I seemed to be moving through smoother and with less hang ups than Doug and he has 35”. That was until I got the body dent that we didn’t want to get. I also got a couple small fender flair scuffs and a small dent and scratch just above the passenger slider (these I expected on a trail like this). Just didn’t want that body dent. Doug made this spot look easy. But Doug also did most of the tight spots on the trail with no spotter and some of these have only a inch or two of room to spare overall with only a couple of small kisses. This was most impressive to watch. Doug destroyed his rear swing out latch and it was swinging open all the time. And John ran the trail with easy, Brett needed to check his pants at the beginning of Cadillac Hill. And did I say it was windy, very windy.

My new winch that I installed just the day before after work came in handy twice. Once for me on walker hill to save me from having to drag my rear quarter panel all the way out. And again to pull Doug out of the boulders in the big sluice where he was high centered and stuck so bad I think we would have been there for a long time. I am so glad I got that thing. Like the saying goes “you don’t need a winch, until you buy a winch.”
For though that care I run most of the trail on 18-19 lbs. but lost some on both drivers side tires along the way. Check and aired up at camp to 20lbs. I think the ideal tire pressure for someone with 33s is 19 lbs. We started the trail at 9:30 and made springs by 6pm.

It’s a fine line between traction and much needed ground clearance.
Another trail explored and conquered and another great NorCal run. Thanks to all for good spotting and good company.

Cheers,
Sam
 
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some pics
Brett.webp
Million Dollar Drop.webp
The Dent.webp
 
a few more
More Rocks.webp
Doug.webp
Jeep.webp
 
:confused: :frown: sorry mud seems to be croping the photos that I upload.
 
Sam,

Seems that we have matching dings on our trucks....

Regards

Alvaro
 
Sorry La Cabra just looks so cool I had to copy you.
 
Sam,
congrats, that is huge! I am considerably intimidated to take my 80 thru Rubicon. I am really impressed!

Yes, when you see Doug or Alvaro navigating the big wagons thru the Con, it is a very impressive sight! They know what they are doing...!
 
I had a great time, thanks for letting me tag along. I am super impressed with Doug and Sam taking those wagons through. I don't know that I ever want to take my wagon all the way through,(I just don't like to work that hard!) but I can see going in from Tahoe down to the springs.

The erosion on lower Cadillac is getting bad, and not being helped by the a##-wipes that have short cut the lower switchback. The club I belong to (Lake Tahoe Hi-Lo's) try to maintain the Tahoe side of the trail, but we have been overwhelmed in the last few years by the incredible increase of traffic. We are a very small club that still do a lot of work on that trail but it is not enough. The "Friends of the Rubicon" have been very effective in helping out with trail maintainance and I recommend checking them out in order to lend a hand. There is an excellent forum deovted to the trail (work weekends, fundraisers, etc..) at http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=29

I "think" there is a work weekend scheduled for the Hi-Lo's this coming weekend. Hopefully we can address some of those issues, like the bypass at the lower switchback which is just going to undermine the trail. And the big tree that blew across the trail just east of the graves.

Well, I got a little off track there. Again want to thank NorcalDoug, Brett, Sam & Teresa and all their riders for a great weekend and a real eye-opener on what a skilled and slightly crazy 80 driver can go through!
JonB
 
There is an evil part of me that want to do the Jackass prank. Go rent somthing and take it though the Con. Then return it and with a stright face say we hit a deer.
 
My Trip Report

We started our day, for the most part at the Shell gas station at the Sly Park Rd. exit. It was our first meeting point for those coming in from the greater Sacramento area. Tony (Cube Dweller) Dias and his brother Jeff joined me in my gear-laden rig. We met Brett (Dieselbigot) Toothill here and waited for Sam (NorCalSam) and Teresa (Little Boss) Turnage to roll in. They were running a little late, but it's completely understandable -- they had a fully loaded 80 and their 2 kids along for the ride...:). Fueled up and ready roll, we set off for Loon Lake.

We arrived at Loon Lake Dam #2 a bit late and were welcomed to beautiful, clear skies and raging 200MPH winds. Okay...maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration...there were a couple clouds up there...
JonB met us there -- he'd come in from Wentworth Springs the previous day, camped in a nice spot and backtracked to find us. I'm glad he waited for us -- it was great meeting and wheeling with him.

Once aired down, Jon walked back toward his very nicely built 4Runner, while I followed Brett's built Toyota mini -- Sam and Tree followed behind me.

Alas, Gatekeeper is no more. We proceeded through what was once the also challenging alligator pit and onto the granite slabs. The slabs were fairly uneventful, but I did have some problems on one ledge climb. My stock 4.10 gearing combined with the extra weight of the tent and my 315 MTRs proved to be too much for my torque converter. I had almost no power. I finally made it up, but only by giving the rig a very healthy bump -- much more momentum than I ever like to use, but it got me where I needed to be -- past the ledge. I went back to spot Sam. He was hung up in the same spot, but he managed to overcome it with just a little bump.

We arrived at Walker Hill much earlier than I had expected. We were making excelling progress through the trail. I took a quick look at Walker, watched Brett easily navigate up, then took my place behind the wheel. It was evident that a lot of work was done here. It was a challenge, but not nearly as difficult as it had been in the past. Sam made it up as well, without much trouble. Jon followed and climbed the hill like he owned it.

Then we got to the "V". Images of rigs sliding and flopping on the side rolled through my head. I watch Brett take the line to the left, avoiding the "V". This required crawling over a large boulder, but he had no problems with his truck and the 37" MTRs he had on it. No way in hell was I going to try that route. I approached the "V" slot and did my best to center the rig. Luck was on my side that day -- I rolled right through. Brett had pulled off to the side, just past the boulder, so I thought it would be a good idea to pull up a ways so there would be room for everyone to get through the obstacle.

By the time I parked and ran back, Sam was already on his way through...but that's when he got in trouble. I missed what originally happened, but I suspect it was the same as what happened to Alvaro...
Cruiserdrew said:
Alvaro started just to the left of Rick’s line, and the wall of the gully forced his rear quarter into the rock wall. To get him out of that, we used Rick’s truck and a snatch block to winch the back end of Alvaro’s 80 to the right and pulled him off the wall. It worked like a charm and Alvaro only collected a new scrape on top of an existing dent, so no harm done. That may be the most difficult place for a wagon on the entire trail.
Anyhow...Same was in the process of trying to reposition himself to take the same line that I had. The problem was that he was in a spot that wouldn't allow him to back up much more than a foot. On one attempt to straighten out, he backed into a rock in the side of the hill. I was several yards away, but could hear the crunch of metal and plastic. It didn't look like there'd be any way to get him through without crushing the side of his rig unless we winched, so I ran back to my 80 to back up into position. I got in and carefully negotiated the same rocks and ruts that I had before, only this time in reverse. I couldn't see much through the back window, so I was using my side mirrors. I couldn't see a huge hole on the left side and slid into it. This resulted in the front of my 80 flying upward...it felt like the front shot straight up, but I'm sure that was just an illusion. I was on the borderline of tipping backwards. :eek:

I called out for help -- Jon told me I was in the hole and asked me if I could pull forward. I gave it a shot and gently gave it a little skinny pedal -- as soon as I did, I could feel the front lift up even more...no...I was not going to risk moving forward...not tilted back the way I was. I could feel that I was sitting on my sliders, with rear wheels on the ground and at least one of the fronts off the ground. Tree came running up to save the say. She jumped on the rail of my slider and that was just enough to bring my front end down. As soon as I felt my front tire touch down, I gassed it. I climbed right out of the hole. I realigned and backed into position. Hooked up to the winch, I kept my rig in place while Sam pulled out of the "V".

We arrived at Little Sluice around 11:45AM. Stop for lunch? Move on? There was no one playing around in the sluicebox, so we decided to push on to Buck Island and stop there for a later lunch. We pressed on. We encountered a group of Jeepers at the Million Dollar Drop. They were going around on the bypass of the drop. We decided to go down the drop. I'd never taken the bypass, so, the drop is what I consider the "normal" route :D
The jeepers who were there allowed us to cut through -- they seemed amazed that we were going down the drop (I'm no psychic, but the murmurs I heard of, "look, they're going down THAT way" were my clue ;) ). Brett, Sam, Jon, and I made it down with no issues at all. It's just a matter of giving enough brake pedal to maintain your decent speed and keep from sliding down out of control.

We navigated out way to the granite slabs -- Brett wanted to hit Old Sluice, but stuck with the rest of us and started down the slabs. Kudos to the FOTR trail crew for all the new signs along all parts of the trail -- especially on this section. I've been on runs in the past where we've gotten...uh...a bit off track ;) The new signs are in the right places...at the right intervals to keep us on the trail.

We made it down the slabs, but I now know what everyone had been telling me on the past trips -- the slabs here are off-camber and tippy. I'd never noticed it much before, but with the weight of the tent I had strap onto the roof, I could really feel it. Not fun at all :frown: At one point, my tire carrier latch banged loose from the impact on a ledge -- I got out to take a look and the latch was thrashed. It was bent from being dragged a few inches with the weight of the arm. We managed to get it secured temporarily with a ratchet strap.


We arrived at Buck Island at around 2PM. The area was packed with guys who, reportedly had been there for several days. We decided to move on across to the far side of Buck Island lake. We all bypassed gas can rock. Given the option of going up the loose, steep climb (and the diff rock at the top) or going around, I thought it would be better to take the less difficult route. We stopped to eat lunch once we reached the campsites.

What to do? Press on? Camp here for the night? Brett informed us of the new rules requiring vehicles to be no more than 25 feet off the trail. That plus the fact that we couldn't have a fire due to the no-burn regulations in effect in the El Dorado Nat'l Forest, we decided to press on to Rubicon Springs (being private property, we could park where we wanted and possibly have a fire that night).

Big Sluice. Wow...we're at Big Sluice and it's only 4PM. We all dropped down easily and I proceeded to the spot with the tree and boulder. Somehow it looked tighter this year than it had in the past. On prior trips, this obstacle had, oddly enough, been very easy for me. I'd been lucky. This time, I had a hell of a time getting the right line. When I finally did, I came very close to hitting the tree...apparently too close. After I got through, I went back to spot Sam through the spot and noticed that I had come in contact with the tree. I had a large sappy smudge along the doors under the B-pillar. Just a barely noticeable crease and a bunch of sap. Not too bad.

With a bit of spotting, Sam got through without much trouble; same with the next tight squeeze -- between the two large boulders. All in all, it was smooth...well, as smooth as Big Sluice is going to be. :D

Then...the BOULDERS. To call this a rock garden would do it no justice. This is a section of the trail filled with very large boulders. I did okay for a while, but finally managed to get myself stuck. When I get stuck...I tend to get stuck GOOD. This was one such time. I was in a hole with an immovable boulder behind me and an immovable boulder in front of me. I was not going to get out under my own power. Sam came to the rescue with his winch (Thanks for installing that just before the trip :) ) Once hooked up, we was able to pull me out -- 12k lb. winches do come in handy sometimes. On my second attempt through, I took a much better line and, although I did bang my sliders and rear bumper quite a bit, I made it through. Sam, able to watch what I did right and wrong, made it past the spot that tried to eat my rig with not a problem at all.

At the bottom, once free of the boulders, we encountered some water. Not much, but enough to get the tires wet a bit (about 2 feet deep, at most). When we came around the corner and saw that friendly, familiar green bridge, we all knew our day was just about done. At Rubicon Springs, we found that we were all alone. Brett was first to roll into camp -- we selected Mudrak's favorite spot. We arrived just in time too -- the group of Jeepers we had passed earlier in the day pulled in -- they picked a spot closer to the waterfall.


The wind picked up again, so once we threw a tarp up as a windbreak, we set up the stoves and grills.
Dinner was standard NorCal fare. I had a bunch of boneless short ribs marinaded in a Korean BBQ sauce. Tony fired up his grill and set us up with some very nice grilled asparagus and a most excellent tri-tip from Roseville Meats. Brett threw his cross-cultural-marinaded flank steak on the grill and Tree fired up some chicken fajitas. No one was going to bed hungry that night. :grinpimp:

I broke out the Cazadores (both Anejo and Reposado)...there was also some Makers Mark and...was that Crown Royal? I don't recall...but it was all good. ;)

Jon had to leave early to make it home in time for some fancy shin-dig he had committed to. Thanks for the good trip Jon -- it was great wheelin' with you. The rest of us, took our time with breakfast and packing. Tony and Jeff brought some very good linguisa to grill. Breakfast was very good. Once packed, it was time to head up Cadillac Hill.

Cadillac Hill has gotten very eroded. At the hairpin turn at the bottom of the hill, we had to deal with a couple off-camber spots. Brett had a little problem at one spot, but once he made it through, he spotted me so well, that I came through unscathed. Aside from taking a bad line on V, we all made it up Cadillac without a problem.

At the staging area in Tahoma, a quick assessment showed that I definitely did some damage to my cats and also picked up an exhaust leak. I was dripping a wee bit of gear fluid from my rear axle, but upon tightening the nut on the pumpkin, I haven't had any more leaking. With the exception of some minor body damage, already mentioned, and a few crunched spots on their flares, Sam and Tree came out pretty darned clean. Sam handled that 80 like a Rubicon veteran.

Another good trip with a great group.
 
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Great report Doug. I really missed being there with you guys, but the idea of you and Brett drinking tequila, spooning at night, and listening to Celine Dion was just to much.:flipoff2:

The carnage story was more interesting than I had imagined. We should have shown you the winch triangulation pictures that show how to pull your rear to the left and out of trouble. You need a winch now, Dude!!! I'll let Lisa know.

I have come to really like the rock garden where you got stuck. It's one of my favorite parts. I'm in the zone by then and usually slide through. I even spotted Scott F down my line and he cleaned it. A bit different in a wagon, I'll bet!

How about some more pics????
 
Great report Doug. I really missed being there with you guys, but the idea of you and Brett drinking tequila, spooning at night, and listening to Celine Dion was just to much.:flipoff2:

The carnage story was more interesting than I had imagined. We should have shown you the winch triangulation pictures that show how to pull your rear to the left and out of trouble. You need a winch now, Dude!!! I'll let Lisa know.

I have come to really like the rock garden where you got stuck. It's one of my favorite parts. I'm in the zone by then and usually slide through. I even spotted Scott F down my line and he cleaned it. A bit different in a wagon, I'll bet!

How about some more pics????

Don't bother with Lisa. Plant the seed with her mother...the magic will flow downstream from there. :D

I don't think you'd like that rock garden with an OME 2.5 on an 80. I need to upgrade the lift...but...that's going to be a while.


You know what? I found that I take fewer and fewer pics when I wheel. I think I might've taken a dozen -- all of Sam or Brett or maybe Jon. None of my own rig. :doh:
 
I don't think you'd like that rock garden with an OME 2.5 on an 80. I need to upgrade the lift...but...that's going to be a while.

Doug,

This year that rock garden was very kind to my 80. I was able to go through without problems. Last year I had a hell of a time going up it. Wet and slippery it's very different.

The second time we went through they had removed the big rock at the bottom of the hill. The one that leaned you over to the tree, with a great view of the Rubicon river down below. It was always a very challenging spot. Now that it's gone, clearing that corner is no big deal.

Regards

Alvaro
 
"I have come to really like the rock garden where you got stuck. It's one of my favorite parts. I'm in the zone by then and usually slide through. I even spotted Scott F down my line and he cleaned it. A bit different in a wagon, I'll bet!

How about some more pics????[/quote]

Like Doug said you wouldn't like it in a Nice 80 with 33" and 2.5" lift.
That was the only area that I just look at and said to my self how the F am I going to get through that. I have never seen anything like that. Some of thoughs boulders are about 50" and so are the holes.

I really am sorry about the pics. When we try to upload them they get croped and we are doing it the same bloody why that we always have. It never did that before.
 
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NorCalSam said:
Cruiserdrew said:
I have come to really like the rock garden where you got stuck. It's one of my favorite parts. I'm in the zone by then and usually slide through. I even spotted Scott F down my line and he cleaned it. A bit different in a wagon, I'll bet!

How about some more pics????

Like Doug said you wouldn't like it in a Nice 80 with 33" and 2.5" lift.
That was the only area that I just look at and said to my self how the F am I going to get through that. I have never seen anything like that. Some of thoughs boulders are about 50" and so are the holes.

I really am sorry about the pics. When we try to upload them they get croped and we are doing it the same bloody why that we always have. It never did that before.

No fun with a wagon at all.


I think there's just a problem with uploading pics right now.
 

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