No AHC ???

[twstrchasr]

I don't get it. I thought AHC was part of the "undesirable Lexus fluff?"

The fluff I'm talking about concerning LX vs. L.C. is more cosmetic than mechanical. It's a shame you can't build either one with the options that you want, ala cart style Instead of the packages that mix things you might want and others you don't. But that will never happen in the NA market.

 

[twstrchasr]

Or are they holding out on the LC like they did with the 100? IIRC the LC100 was only offered with AHC later in it's life cycle vs the LX470 who got it immediately.

Might be a good bet to hold off for 2-3 years on gettiing a LC200 to see what they enhance and add to it. Also gives them time sort out the gremlins given Toyotas latest round of new model releases. Additional benefit will be the aftermarket goodies that will hopefully be available.

Anybody have detailed specs on the LX570s suspension setup?

Gremlins, quality control problems ?? Not the great Toyota !! They build vehicles that are Perfect and never have any problems what so ever. I don't know why they even have a service dept !!!

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

SL600? Looking like poo poo.. poo poo you will never be able to afford !!

You are correct. Oh, I cou;d buy a new one. What I couldn't afford is:

*All the trips to the dealer for repair work
*All the trips to the dealer for repair work
*All the trips to the dealer for repair work
*The financial loss of selling it a year later because it's lives in the shop.

You're right! I cannot afford a MB....ANY MB.

 

[twstrchasr]

You are correct. Oh, I cou;d buy a new one. What I couldn't afford is:

*All the trips to the dealer for repair work
*All the trips to the dealer for repair work
*All the trips to the dealer for repair work
*The financial loss of selling it a year later because it's lives in the shop.

You're right! I cannot afford a MB....ANY MB.

Exactly what are you basing all of these hypothetical trips to the dealer on?? Are you basing you comment from ownership/past experience or are you basing you view on nothing more than hearsay ? Come back when you have some factual experience to back up your comments. I would also take the likes of JD Powers, ect, with a grain of salt. Their statistical methods are anything from an exact science. I don't know what level of education you have, but statistical information can be manipulated in many, many ways to come to all sorts of differing conclusions. I could start listing all the trips to the dealership my toyotas have made and you would think that they live at the service dept. I can tell you this though, I have never once had any MB (I've had about ten) to ever need something as major as a new tranny at a very low 64,000 miles like my 2001 LC has just needed. But just because mine needed one doesn't mean they all are POS. Also, I don't claim all of my MB's, LR's,etc to be without fault. They all have had their own set of issues. What I don't do is to make blind statements without any factual basis to support my views ( I try not to) . I really don't figure to get any of this across to you, since you seem to have made up you mind long ago without any facts to back up your views. That's OK though, it's all personal opinions/views in the long run, anways !! I do agree with you totally on your views on what is wrong with the USA these days though !! It all starts at home ...

 

[twstrchasr]

Hey, I like Shotts old LandCruiser!!

As for the new generation S class, the interior does look like poo. Dorky dash, dorky wheel, the booty is alil on the dorky side, but i do love the new front fascia

F J C... I guess you speak from experience about "poo" and "dorky" owning an fjc!!

Your opinion doesn't count....You don't even have a LAND CRUISER !!

 

[carboncycles]

if memory serves me right, the new lx will use a suspension system similar but not identical to the cadillac using a electro-magnetic system to tune the dampening of the fluid (in conjunction with the adjustable height control)...very different than the current pneumatic-air valve system.

 

[speedmaster]

It is a bummer that it doesn't have AHC.

As for reliabilty,

I would hold off on the the 200 for at least 6 months.

The Tundra of late is having a rash of major problems.

The tranny has issues.
The tailgate is flimsy as hell (according to the members of Tundrasolutions).
The bed frame flexes.

Consumer reports noted the 4X4 version is below reliability and that because of these recent changes,
they will no longer use "predicted reliabilty" of Toyotas in their future scoring.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/22/toyota-tundra-hit-with-two-more-quality-issues/

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/16/toyota-hit-hard-by-new-consumer-reports-predicted-reliability-ra/

 

[twstrchasr]

It is a bummer that it doesn't have AHC.

As for reliabilty,

I would hold off on the the 200 for at least 6 months.

The Tundra of late is having a rash of major problems.

The tranny has issues.
The tailgate is flimsy as hell (according to the members of Tundrasolutions).
The bed frame flexes.

Consumer reports noted the 4X4 version is below reliability and that because of these recent changes,
they will no longer use "predicted reliabilty" of Toyotas in their future scoring.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/22/toyota-tundra-hit-with-two-more-quality-issues/

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/16/toyota-hit-hard-by-new-consumer-reports-predicted-reliability-ra/

There is another topic I have kind of gotten away from...I really don't like buying a model in its first year of production....Let them work out the problems in the first year or so.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

It is a bummer that it doesn't have AHC.

As for reliabilty,

I would hold off on the the 200 for at least 6 months.

The Tundra of late is having a rash of major problems.

The tranny has issues.
The tailgate is flimsy as hell (according to the members of Tundrasolutions).
The bed frame flexes.

Consumer reports noted the 4X4 version is below reliability and that because of these recent changes,
they will no longer use "predicted reliabilty" of Toyotas in their future scoring.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/22/toyota-tundra-hit-with-two-more-quality-issues/

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/16/toyota-hit-hard-by-new-consumer-reports-predicted-reliability-ra/

Based on that article, we should all buy Fords.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

"TORRANCE, Calif., Oct. 16 /PRNewswire/ -- Toyota, Lexus and Scion models collectively led the industry with the greatest number of models, 17, ranked "Most Reliable" in this year's Consumer Reports Reliability
Survey. With dozens of models from three dozen makes vying for a spot onthe magazine's "Most Reliable" list, only 39 were chosen. Toyota, Lexus and Scion models accounted for 44 percent of the list."

That's a fact!

 

[twstrchasr]

OH no, Consumer Reports, here we go ...............

 

[hks3sgte]

You two should go wheeling together.

 

[twstrchasr]

I wonder if he's on their payroll ??

 

[twstrchasr]

Hey, I wish I could get Shotts to come over and convince my inop NAV unit that it can't be broken, it's a Toyota !!!

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

You two should go wheeling together.

Only if I bring the 100 and he brings the Range Rover.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Hey, I wish I could get Shotts to come over and convince my inop NAV unit that it can't be broken, it's a Toyota !!!

NAV systems scare me. I'd not want one if I had the choice.

 

[twstrchasr]

I agree totaly ! Unfortunately, it's going to get harder and harder to get anything "new" without one..

Here's a nice quote (I'm sure you will appreciate) from the 2008 RR brochure:
"When the first Range Rover appeared in 1970, the best navigation system consisted of a map and a compass."

 

[flyfish4life]

OH no, Consumer Reports, here we go ...............

Hard to ignore Land Rover being bottom of list in reliability year after year. I'm sure it's just bad data.

 

[hks3sgte]

I have had a 1995 Land Rover Discovery for many years now... and I have to say that some 80 series on this board have had more "problems" than my disco, which has had nothing go wrong. But with Land Rover, you either get lucky with a good one, or you're stuck fixing one forever.

 

[FirstToy]

a friend that wheels with us has a Disco 2 and puts up w/ the ribbing . There are some really great features in it and you can really tell they did their homework - the interior design was so obviously designed by wheelers. Makes the 80's interior design kinda shameful in comparison.

I'm not talking about build quality, materials or things like that. I'm talking about the design ideas- stow boxes under the seats, storage and trays molded in everywhere, steering wheel shape designed to be held w/ thumbs out of spokes, etc etc.

he hasn't had problems w/ his Disco 2 and he uses it daily driver & offroad.

toyota's NAV doesn't read topo so it's pretty useless offroad. all it does is breadcrumbs- and no topo are avail. However, this is a $70,000 vehicle. I think it is a bit de-contented for the price class and I have a feeling it's to not encroach on the LX570 too much, but the marketing hurt the Toyota IMO.

Think if TOYOTA was the only brand- there was no LX570- how much content would they pack into their flagship SUV? I think more than now, that's for sure. However, it is a sweet vehicle. Sitting in it, you can't argue that.