New Years Ride Jan 2-5

[southerntaco98]

Its gonna be cold...what ya'll gonna do for heat at night Zack??? Got a generator for rent...LOL

Cold lmao ur crazy it will be cool! And I got a small generator but prolly nothing but sum sleeping bags and covers . At most tho we will have 2 sleep systems and a lil buddy. But the two sleeping systems will do fine I think.

And on the first night we will be in a hotel for free lol idk bout this tho I'd rather just camp and be at w.r. Ready to go in the a.m.

 

[AuburnFJsexy]

I am sure it wont be any colder than it was last year, and last year Zack and Lee slept in a tent...


Who knows how they kept warm....

 

[southerntaco98]

I am sure it wont be any colder than it was last year, and last year Zack and Lee slept in a tent...

Who knows how they kept warm....

The same way we always keep warm we freeze all night lol but to us that's part of being in the great outdoors is freezing ur tail off.

We will get better at being comfy and having all the spare parts we need on the trail over time till then we make do and enjoy being on the trail with all these great ppl here it don't matter if u freeze or sweat all that matters is wheeling now I sound like Adam a.k.a 85toyotapickup lol

 

[armytaco]

Ha......ha. is more Adam lol

 

[pillguy]

so do we have a list of folks going by style of riding
Hard core/rock crawling:
Ted, Nick, Who else?

Moderate/difficult Expedition trails:
???

Still trying to determine who is going and if I might end up here or on the TN ride.

 

[southerntaco98]

so do we have a list of folks going by style of riding
Hard core/rock crawling:
Ted, Nick, Who else?

Moderate/difficult Expedition trails:
???

Still trying to determine who is going and if I might end up here or on the TN ride.

We are gonna be on the hardcore trails. With Ted nick and ???..

You should join us Andrew it's time to put some dents in the 4R... And I got some 35's u could borrow. I'd like to see ya on rail trail or even waldens ridge lmao.

 

[TeddyBoy]

so do we have a list of folks going by style of riding
Hard core/rock crawling:
Ted, Nick, Who else?

Moderate/difficult Expedition trails:
???

Still trying to determine who is going and if I might end up here or on the TN ride.

as of right now it looks like me, nick, steve and Zack +1 with a couple maybes thrown in. All of which I'm sure will be running the more difficult trails...weather permitting.

We are gonna be on the hardcore trails. With Ted nick and ???..

You should join us Andrew it's time to put some dents in the 4R... And I got some 35's u could borrow. I'd like to see ya on rail trail or even waldens ridge lmao.

Weather permitting, Walden's Ridge it at the top of my list of trails to hit. Zack, you guys are gonna have to find an open seat as I really wouldn't feel comfortable taking your taco there.

Other trails worth hitting are the some old list, 3, 15, 39, 40, 12 etc... All of these have the potential if not likelihood of some sheet metal mods.

 

[southerntaco98]

as of right now it looks like me, nick, steve and Zack +1 with a couple maybes thrown in. All of which I'm sure will be running the more difficult trails...weather permitting.

Weather permitting, Walden's Ridge it at the top of my list of trails to hit. Zack, you guys are gonna have to find an open seat as I really wouldn't feel comfortable taking your taco there. .

Umm y is that I'd rather hit it with y'all than alone or with Adam later this year. If its a length issue we can fix that lol I got the saw at the house lol... If its my heavy foot.. Ill go easy on the skinny pedal! The adrenaline is what makes this hobby very fun. If u ain't living on the "edge" u ain't living at all lol.

So what needs to be hacked off or welded b4 we go?

 

[TeddyBoy]

Umm y is that I'd rather hit it with y'all than alone or with Adam later this year. If its a length issue we can fix that lol I got the saw at the house lol... If its my heavy foot.. Ill go easy on the skinny pedal! The adrenaline is what makes this hobby very fun. If u ain't living on the "edge" u ain't living at all lol.

So what needs to be hacked off or welded b4 we go?

it's a little hard to explain and i would have not understood until I did it but I'll try...

It has nothing to do with your driving skills but mainly 3 reasons that aren't easily fixed in the next week or so. 1) Gearing 2) Suspension and 3) open front diff. If you had any 2 of the 3 I'd say do it but it's a trifecta.

Getting up on the rock ledge is probably the scariest and most difficult spot. It requires a front locker, good articulation and the control of low gears. You have to approach the 2-3' high rock ledge at about a 45* angle and then proceed to slowly climb up 1 tire at a time without launching yourself over the opposite edge and into the abyss. Once you're on it it's not too bad but it's a tricky spot.

the first 1:15 kinda shows it.



Nicks rig is a good example, he doesn't have the gearing but he does have the front locker and the suspension so he can overcome the other issue. Trust me, I'm new to the whole gearing thing but I absolutely have seen the light, slow means control and control means safety. You can do 99% of that trail no problem but the 1% is a killer, literally! and the penalty of a screw up is just way too high.

The dismount is where you'd need to trim the back a little but that's no biggie!

 

[AuburnFJsexy]

it's a little hard to explain and i would have not understood until I did it but I'll try...

It has nothing to do with your driving skills but mainly 3 reasons that aren't easily fixed in the next week or so. 1) Gearing 2) Suspension and 3) open front diff. If you had any 2 of the 3 I'd say do it but it's a trifecta.

Getting up on the rock ledge is probably the scariest and most difficult spot. It requires a front locker, good articulation and the control of low gears. You have to approach the 2-3' high rock ledge at about a 45* angle and then proceed to slowly climb up 1 tire at a time without launching yourself over the opposite edge and into the abyss. Once you're on it it's not too bad but it's a tricky spot.

the first 1:15 kinda shows it.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhQoYAA0TnY">YouTube Link</a>

Nicks rig is a good example, he doesn't have the gearing but he does have the front locker and the suspension so he can overcome the other issue. Trust me, I'm new to the whole gearing thing but I absolutely have seen the light, slow means control and control means safety. You can do 99% of that trail no problem but the 1% is a killer, literally! and the penalty of a screw up is just way too high.

I don't like the idea of my rig on the desent of the ridge at the end. That seems like the spot where gearing is the most crucial...

 

[TeddyBoy]

I don't like the idea of my rig on the desent of the ridge at the end. That seems like the spot where gearing is the most crucial...

an advantage I'll agree but not required. In my opinion an argument could be made that having higher gears would be advantageous in order to power out of an uncomfortable position. It can be done riding the brake very slowly with no problem.

 

[southerntaco98]

it's a little hard to explain and i would have not understood until I did it but I'll try...

It has nothing to do with your driving skills but mainly 3 reasons that aren't easily fixed in the next week or so. 1) Gearing 2) Suspension and 3) open front diff. If you had any 2 of the 3 I'd say do it but it's a trifecta.

Getting up on the rock ledge is probably the scariest and most difficult spot. It requires a front locker, good articulation and the control of low gears. You have to approach the 2-3' high rock ledge at about a 45* angle and then proceed to slowly climb up 1 tire at a time without launching yourself over the opposite edge and into the abyss. Once you're on it it's not too bad but it's a tricky spot.

the first 1:15 kinda shows it.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhQoYAA0TnY">YouTube Link</a>

Nicks rig is a good example, he doesn't have the gearing but he does have the front locker and the suspension so he can overcome the other issue. Trust me, I'm new to the whole gearing thing but I absolutely have seen the light, slow means control and control means safety. You can do 99% of that trail no problem but the 1% is a killer, literally! and the penalty of a screw up is just way too high.

The dismount is where you'd need to trim the back a little but that's no biggie!

Ok I completely understand everything u said. I can invision how it would go. And how low gears and a locker are very crucial for climbing a 3 foot wall with nothing on the other side lol. I will have to catch it next go round when I'm sas and locked and geared. It sux but I get it thx for the details I know when to say yea ur right that's to much lmao... I'm gonna watch video now..

Lee and I will just try and bypass 75 and meet y'all on the other side if possible.. I don't wanna leave my rig at camp all day and I sure ain't gonna park it alone in the hills so a hillbilly can take all my s***. So we can do a bypass or hit another trail and meet y'all at the end.

 

[armytaco]

You got that Zack...remember all you got to do is just like the drunk guy said at the top of Rattle Rock.....

"Just back up and punch it" .. I'll never forget that

 

[southerntaco98]

You got that Zack...remember all you got to do is just like the drunk guy said at the top of Rattle Rock.....

"Just back up and punch it" .. I'll never forget that

That guy was so plastered. I live by that lmao JK!

 

[AuburnFJsexy]

it's a little hard to explain and i would have not understood until I did it but I'll try...

It has nothing to do with your driving skills but mainly 3 reasons that aren't easily fixed in the next week or so. 1) Gearing 2) Suspension and 3) open front diff. If you had any 2 of the 3 I'd say do it but it's a trifecta.

After watching that clip, John's truck almost doesnt have the suspension/tire size at the beginning. He almost raises that rear PS tire off the ground. I wonder if his new tires being a little bigger would help keep the "rubber on the trail"...


That end looks sketchy

 

[4xsteve]

I don't like the idea of my rig on the desent of the ridge at the end. That seems like the spot where gearing is the most crucial...

an advantage I'll agree but not required. In my opinion an argument could be made that having higher gears would be advantageous in order to power out of an uncomfortable position. It can be done riding the brake very slowly with no problem.

I agree with Ted 100%. Gears are not "where its at" on that decent. Case and point: You know how crazy I am about gearing and which combination I'm in at any given time. It must've taken me at least 10 seconds of thought to decide which range to use. 2.28+4.7 initially - nope, way too low for driving out of an end-o situation; 4.7 only maybe? - still too slow if anything starts to go awry; That leaves 2.28 - Good speed, but I'd probably stall if I tried to "punch it". I think I ended up in 4.7 but 2nd gear. That's just the long version to say "You'll be good Nick". If you're worried about the lack of weight on the back, we can just leave someone behind you and hook a cable to the back of yours.

 

[4xsteve]

After watching that clip, John's truck almost doesnt have the suspension/tire size at the beginning. He almost raises that rear PS tire off the ground. I wonder if his new tires being a little bigger would help keep the "rubber on the trail"...

The only way the tire size will change anything is by the lower air pressure achievable from the bead locks, combined with the taller sidewall allowing more tire compression. It will help, but like Ted said, the dual lockers trump that anyway.

That end looks sketchy

That end has 5% to do with driver's skill and 95% to do with spotter's skill. If the spotter "drives" you down properly, it's a walk in the park.

And in thinking about it now, Zack's issue here probably wouldn't be the rear, which would probably drag down smoothly with no issues, but he'd probably spear the front bumper into the dirt. Not only would he have to winch the front end across the dirt til the tires regained contact, but the front bumper would probably be a total loss. And not to add insult to injury to us already giving a myriad of reasons for Zack not to take his rig, but for a rig to break down on tr75 without being "trail fixable", would make for a LOOOOOONG day of recovery.

 

[southerntaco98]

The only way the tire size will change anything is by the lower air pressure achievable from the bead locks, combined with the taller sidewall allowing more tire compression. It will help, but like Ted said, the dual lockers trump that anyway.
That end has 5% to do with driver's skill and 95% to do with spotter's skill. If the spotter "drives" you down properly, it's a walk in the park.

And in thinking about it now, Zack's issue here probably wouldn't be the rear, which would probably drag down smoothly with no issues, but he'd probably spear the front bumper into the dirt. Not only would he have to winch the front end across the dirt til the tires regained contact, but the front bumper would probably be a total loss. And not to add insult to injury to us already giving a myriad of reasons for Zack not to take his rig, but for a rig to break down on tr75 without being "trail fixable", would make for a LOOOOOONG day of recovery.

Now I gotta go just to show y'all how it's done lmao! I'd spear it all right and move some earth

Yea it looks pretty crazy. After seeing this screw toy axels I need d60's and a 5.0 with 38 or 40's ..
Hmm.????

I haven't been dead weight yet the taco always limps home. Sheesh y'all have some faith we can always push off the mountain and retrieve it at the bottom

 

[4xsteve]

Now I gotta go just to show y'all how it's done lmao! I'd spear it all right and move some earth

Only way you'd make that is if you launched it off the top! And instead of a busted bumper, you'd have a bent frame I think. :whoops:

After seeing this screw toy axels I need d60's and a 5.0 with 38 or 40's .. Hmm.????

SMH!!! Geez, you sound like the typical Jeep guy now Zack. Whenever you DO finally get to see this trail - and maybe Adam can be there to test this - I think you'll agree that you do NOT want to be full width on this trail. A few places it'll help, but a few places you might be hanging some tread over open air space.

we can always push off the mountain and retrieve it at the bottom

If you can come up with the money for the helicopter retrieval that will require, I'll be very impressed!

 

[southerntaco98]

Only way you'd make that is if you launched it off the top! And instead of a busted bumper, you'd have a bent frame I think. :whoops:
SMH!!! Geez, you sound like the typical Jeep guy now Zack. Whenever you DO finally get to see this trail - and maybe Adam can be there to test this - I think you'll agree that you do NOT want to be full width on this trail. A few places it'll help, but a few places you might be hanging some tread over open air space.
If you can come up with the money for the helicopter retrieval that will require, I'll be very impressed!

Lol I best just stay on the other black diamonds and wait.

Deff don't want to be in the same category as any jeep guys