Need a new engine

[TampaTom]

My 92 3FE engine needs to be retired. It lost oil pressure on a road trip (pump cavitation or lost pressure at main bearings) It now knocks at start up (until pressure hits) or under load. I see there is a used 3FE motor at Cruiserpart.net for $1500 and a used 1FZ-FE motor for $1800. Would the FZ motor be a direct bolt in? Harness compatable?

Of coarse I can consider a V8 conversion. I'm just not that enthusiastic. Or maybe I should sell it? What's the value?

 

[Beowulf]

TampaTom,

If you were OK with the power of the 3FE then replacing it with another will be your cheapest option. Of course, you'll have a used engine of unknown history. In case you haven't noticed, they *all* have approx 60k miles on them. Funny how that happens.

The 1FZ-FE will not be an easy swap but it can be done if you are up to it. The harness is definitely not compatible and you will need a lot of other things (ECU's) from the donor vehicle.

My vote would be the SBC conversion. It's also a lot of work but has been documented. Jeff Jones (whitewhale ?) did one a few years ago.

My guess on a 92 with a bad engine would be worth less than $2k. Maybe only $1k.

-B-

 

[semlin]

Bad news, and sorry to hear it. I would agree with throwing either a used 3FE in there or maybe a brand new V8. The uptick in power from a 1fz would not justify the expense of the conversion and a used 1fz could be a crap shoot in terms of the head gasket. It would be cheaper to buy a used 93.

Or if you are really ambitious there is always a diesel conversion. Go to the international forum to read about that or talk to crushers for advice.

 

[Cruiserdrew]

Even though it borders on heresy, and you risk being burned at the stake, I too, would look at a Chevy V-8 conversion. A throttle body V-8 new from GM could give you another 100k of use or even more. A used 3FE would be your cheapest option, and rebuilding your current 3FE would give you the longest motor life. A v-8 conversion would change the nature of your truck and make it much more pleasant to drive. I would forget a 1FZFE as being too expensive and too complex unless you can sell your truck and buy a newer cruiser with the 1FZ already in it.

 

[whodat]

My 92 3FE engine needs to be retired. It lost oil pressure on a road trip (pump cavitation or lost pressure at main bearings) It now knocks at start up (until pressure hits) or under load. I see there is a used 3FE motor at Cruiserpart.net for $1500 and a used 1FZ-FE motor for $1800. Would the FZ motor be a direct bolt in? Harness compatable?

Of coarse I can consider a V8 conversion. I'm just not that enthusiastic. Or maybe I should sell it? What's the value?

How many miles does the original engine have?

 

[ginericLC]

Too bad you are on the wrong side of the country. I'm wanting to pull my 3FE out of my 91 to put in a Turbo Diesel. You are probably almost better to part it out if you decide to sell rather than repair. One other option that might work for you is putting a 2F long block in with your head. You retain the Fuel injection and use the same computer. You get a little more power this way and a 2F would be a lot cheaper to source. I also think you have a better chance of getting a lower mileage 2F in better shape than a 3FE. The 62s and 80s were too comfortable and at this age they almost all have 150k and most have more than 200k on them. A v8 conversion will cost you more than selling your rig, even if you only got 1-2k for it , and buying a different 80. A good conversion will set you back 4-5k if you use new parts and do the work yourself.

 

[semlin]

you also might be able to sell the truck on this board as a donor for a diesel conversion.

 

[White Shark]

http://www.geocities.com/~jjjoutside/chevmenu.html
http://www.collegeinternetsolutions.com/cisautoweb/dtlc/
http://www.4x4labs.com/diesel.html
http://www.pps.net.au/skips4x4/articles/v8_diesel/
http://www.brunswickdiesels.com.au/
Some info regarding 350 and diesel swaps.

 

[TampaTom]

Thanks for your replies. The original motor has 165,000 miles on it. Until the day I lost oil pressure, it has been very reliable. I'd love to be able to get more power, but really don't want to put thousands into it. Looks like I'l be looking for a used 3FE or 2F. Appreciate any leads.

 

[MoJ]

Thanks for your replies. The original motor has 165,000 miles on it. Until the day I lost oil pressure, it has been very reliable. I'd love to be able to get more power, but really don't want to put thousands into it. Looks like I'l be looking for a used 3FE or 2F. Appreciate any leads.

Wow, that't not many miles for a 3FE. You're sure you believe it's in need of replacement?

 

[ginericLC]

I'd try to get in touch with the Florida Land Cruiser Association as they are closest to you. It is amazing how someone knows someone who knows someone who has something. I'd also try to give David Dearborn a call and see what he has available as he is fairly close. www.urbanlandcruisers.com has his contact info. You might also hit up Georgia Cruisers. Mark Hawley at www.metaltechcage.com has done a 2F bottom end on a 3FE in a FJ62 so he might be of some help.

Edit: Just checked Urban LCs site. $2750 for a rebuilt 3FE. Not sure what installation is but that doesn't sound too bad to me.

I'd be happy to sell you my 3FE out of my 91 as I intend on going diesel, but shipping would make it cost prohibitive I think. I'm way out in Idaho and we don't have any new fangled shipping methods like the urban states do.

GOOD LUCK! If there is anything I can do to help you PM or email me.

 

[CruisinGA]

For a DD I'd lean toward a rebuild-like new power/reliability. No guessing game or bugs to work out like a used 3FE or 350 would give you.

Mating a 2F block to the A440 tranny would be interesting....

 

[jjbodean1970]

i'd try to get your rig up to ATL to david dearborn (dd113) at urban landcruisers for a rebuild

 

[Pskhaat]

Why would the mate of the 440 be so bad against a latter-model 2F?

I would also suggest (pending the resolution from the aforementioned question) the 2F block if the head is still good. The differences are that the 2F & 3F's water pump are centered differently, the alternator, wair pump, etc would also need to be relocated, but the engine mounts are dead on and the 2F w/ 3F-E head is a good combo, I've driven one and was very impressed.

 

[70sguy]

you also might be able to sell the truck on this board as a donor for a diesel conversion.

There you go.. I have a 12H-T A440F waiting for a suitable FJ80 donor truck to come along I was shopping for an FJ but ended up finding a great deal on a FZJ..so now it is a 1HD-T swap I am doing..

Sheldon

 

[Jammin]

wow, that looks sweet.

 

[helocat]

Why would the mate of the 440 be so bad against a latter-model 2F?

I would also suggest (pending the resolution from the aforementioned question) the 2F block if the head is still good. The differences are that the 2F & 3F's water pump are centered differently, the alternator, wair pump, etc would also need to be relocated, but the engine mounts are dead on and the 2F w/ 3F-E head is a good combo, I've driven one and was very impressed.

I also did this with my 1990 FJ-62 when the 3FE ate a connecting rod. The top end was fine so in went a decent 2F long block. The hardest part of the swap is just remounting all the accessories. But everything went in and worked right down to the AC. In the end it had noticeable power gain and low end. I was surprised I could feel the difference; then again the OE motor was flogged by the PO. The 3FE computer is closed loop and worked well with the 2F block.

The 2FE combo is taller than the 3FE, in the FJ-62 to top of the valve cover touched the hood liner. The hood did close, it just touched the liner. Also the front end had a noticeable weight difference with the 2F block in there.

For an 80 I think this would be an easy swap and considerably cheaper over finding a good 3F block. Even if one was to put the $ into a rebuild I would put it into a 2F block and put it under the 3FE head.

Mark

 

[Cruiser Jimmy]

There you go.. I have a 12H-T A440F waiting for a suitable FJ80 donor truck to come along I was shopping for an FJ but ended up finding a great deal on a FZJ..so now it is a 1HD-T swap I am doing..

Sheldon

Sheldon,
Would you have everything to complete the 12H-T installation into a suitable FJ80.
What I mean is do you have the computer, fuel connections, airbox, etc.

Only if I had the disposable cash to buy one.

 

[70sguy]

Sheldon,
Would you have everything to complete the 12H-T installation into a suitable FJ80.
What I mean is do you have the computer, fuel connections, airbox, etc.

Only if I had the disposable cash to buy one.

I won't have everything.. but I will have the important stuff.. Engine/tranny/case. Fuel connections? The filter assy is part of the engine, although I would recomend running a Racor filter/water separator ahead of that. The fuel lines, tank and pick up on the 80 are fine, may want to disco the fuel pump..the 12H-T moves it's own fuel.
What computer?
Air box on the 80 will likely work fine.. you would want to see about swapping a 60 top onto it.

The 24v starter will need to be rebuilt as a 12v unit.. most competent Auto Electric RB shops can handle that..or we can have it done for you up here. You will need a 12v alternator/vac pump w/ same reg type as the 80 has, it may be possible to fab a bracket to mouth the 3FE alternator (w elec vac pump), 12v ac pump, 24v glow screen will heat on 12v, it is a straight resistace device and with a DI engine you don't need it until it is freezing anyway.
Aus is the best source for those 12v bits since they had 12v HJ61s

The only thing I haven't figure how to set up is the tach since they use different signals.

If you want you can even go with the A440 and part time case and pop a set of manual 60 hubs on it. Wire in the vacuum solenoids and a push button switch out of a 62 and you are set.


Sheldon