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Mobile 1 vs OEM OIL filter (1 Viewer)
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gaijin
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Well... there's a lot to unpack there, and there isn't a Mobil 1 filter anywhere in sight, but to make a long story short:
The guy in that video is an ignoramus and has no idea what he's talking about.
The filter in the video is the Toyota/TRD filter - a very good filter, available at Toyota dealer parts counters, which is designed to be installed exactly as the stock filter.
Here is a pic comparing the packaging for the stock filter and the TRD filter:
The filters each come with new gaskets and a drain plug insert, but the gaskets in the TRD package are higher performance:
Here's what the box says about materials of construction and performance:
And nothing wrong with good old Made In USA for the TRD filter:
Each TRD filter comes with a set of instructions with torque values explaining in excruciating detail how to install - needless to say, no removal of the stock "membrane" the idiot in the video wants to remove is necessary.
Here's a pic of the included instructions:
The TRD filter is the only filter I use in my 2013 LC200. It costs a little more, but well worth it in my opinion.
HTH
Edited to add better pics.
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TRD is the same constriction as Mobile 1 filter
bloc
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You need to do some research before you make claims like that setup will destroy an engine. Hundreds of 200 owners and thousands of tundras with the same engine have collectively put millions (tens, hundreds?) of hard miles on TRD filters that have the same 'double membrane' without issue. There is more than adequate flow potential with all of the holes in those perforated tubes, and if TRD filters caused lower than normal oil pressure, we absolutely would have heard about it by now. The claim that it could destroy an engine is alarmist and very inaccurate.
While I guess it is possible your M1 filter had something else going on that caused low oil pressure, leaving the stock support tube in place absolutely didn't contribute.
Also, if you pull out the support tube, there is nothing to push the filter up against the top of the housing, so some of the oil flow (if not all) will bypass the filter and.. contribute to engine damage.
Beyond all of that, our 3UR is well known to appear to have low oil pressure when everything is working perfectly, for hundreds of thousands of miles. Mine will get to half on the gauge during WOT, or when the oil is cold, but like clockwork it ticks over quietly and reliably mile after mile at 1/4 gauge, even at 90mph on the freeway. This is the case on Tundras too.
If you'd like I can try to explain my understanding of why there are 2 perforated tubes with the TRD/M1 setup, but it doesn't really matter. It is intended to be that way and works great.
While I guess it is possible your M1 filter had something else going on that caused low oil pressure, leaving the stock support tube in place absolutely didn't contribute.
Also, if you pull out the support tube, there is nothing to push the filter up against the top of the housing, so some of the oil flow (if not all) will bypass the filter and.. contribute to engine damage.
Beyond all of that, our 3UR is well known to appear to have low oil pressure when everything is working perfectly, for hundreds of thousands of miles. Mine will get to half on the gauge during WOT, or when the oil is cold, but like clockwork it ticks over quietly and reliably mile after mile at 1/4 gauge, even at 90mph on the freeway. This is the case on Tundras too.
If you'd like I can try to explain my understanding of why there are 2 perforated tubes with the TRD/M1 setup, but it doesn't really matter. It is intended to be that way and works great.
I ran a TRD filter for one oil change. Then back to the basic Toyota filters. I would consider the TRD for an extra long oil change interval. Instead, I choose to replace oil more frequently, and replace filter at each change. I was able to buy six basic filters for the price of one TRD, if I recall. Not that it matters much in the $10s of dollars difference.
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my Mobile1 filter went to only 1/4 on cold and then went to 1/8 on warm, which is caught my attention, that why I am posting this and not claiming any facts, just simply asking a question on how shud it be .
I've never seen 1/8 on warm, with either the unknown in the truck when purchased, or TRD, or the Toyota basic. All the very same 1/4 oil pressure.
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I have TRD too and Mobile1 next to one-to-one they look the same build I just change back to OEM and pressure went fine to 1/4 on warm nect time I will try TRD instead on Mobile perhaps Mobile filter is a problem?
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ok this is not the same problem but about the 3dr party filters this time K&R
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gaijin
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That sounds like a good plan. While the Mobil 1 filter and the TRD filter may appear to be the same construction, the filter media itself is obviously different.
Mobil 1 filter:
TRD filter (on right):
While the Mobil 1 filter media is yellow and thin, the TRD filter media is white and thick.
HTH
I’ve changed my oil 5 times at this point, once with Mobil 1, twice with regular OEM and twice with TRD. The only difference in my opinion is price. They go in the same and come out the same. Never had an issue with any. Aside from a doing oil analysis which is brought up frequently on here, I cannot determine any differences in filtration quality. Oil still looks dirty after 5k miles, every 5k. You get hard cuz you put a nicer filter in there, hand claps for you, end of the day I’ve seen 4 banger hondas and toyotas reach 275/300k miles no issues with regular low mile intervals being the most important piece. Don’t get started on here about 20w vs 30w...Everything else is splitting hairs which is another thing done frequently on here. Just change the damn thing and move on with your life, we’re talking oil filters people
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I think you missing the point completely - what I am saying that the double metal membrane is restricting oil flow noticing on the oil pressure gauge and that what I saw in my 2009 LC by running the Mobile1 filter on top of the OEM membrane. If you want to continue doing so I will not stop you just sharing the facts and listening to other's opinions.
I’m picking up what you’re putting down, to your point I did not experience the same issue when I ran the Mobil 1 in my 08. Pressure always at 1/4 except like bloc said when it’s cold on first start up may see little higher. Otherwise always on 1/4. Probably came off as a jackass but my point is we overthinking it a lot sometimes
bloc
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It must be a different problem with that mobil filter because the TRD ones have the same setup with two perforated tubes (not membranes), and no reports of issues. Likewise for others running M1 filters. The tube isn’t the issue.
I run the M1 and the factory paper and I never noted a difference. The perforated tube stablizes the filter as was said above. Keep it in. I'll check pressure next time since I grabbed two of the stock M1C-453 M1 for my spring oil change. I saw some pictures of the M1 filter without the metal casing for EU specs, but that hasn't hit is yet here in the US.
