Me vs H1

[Sammy Jenkins]

My friend who owns an H1 heard that the Crusier is pretty capable off road and wants to wheel with me. The H1 if you don't know has Eaton lockers along with that fancy CTIS (Central Tire Inflation System) and it has a 6.5 L turbo diesel running on 35 or 37 (65% of me says 37's)All Terrains. He told me for when I get stuck on the trail he can use his 10K lb winch to get me out . I have a non-locked FZJ80 also running on All-Terrains. We have the same amount of off road experience; which is some, but not a lot. Is my friend going to rape me on the trails? Will I have an upper hand in any area of a trail? Should I start to bend over now? I'm sure we are going to have fun, but I think there will be some competition, if there is any...

 

[Junk]

I think you are both doomed.

 

[landtank]

Just take him over some trails that require alot of flex. When I say alot I mean alot! Mogal kind of stuff. Just don't follow him to closely when you're back on the pavement :.

 

[PHAEDRUS]

Sammy,
sounds like you both need to get with a local 4 wheel drive club and go on some runs with some people who know what the heck they are doing. as far as what you can do that he cant find a line with tow fairly narrow trees. he wont make it.
other than that the h1 is pretty well built for off camber sets and for dessert cruising it just looses points in tight trees and when you have a loose nut behind the wheel.
Dave

 

[Rich]

I'd say he has you beat on clearance and traction. The best you can hope for is that he doesn't know how to properly utilize the lockers nor when to air down.

 

[landtank]

I know I was a little vague but my comment was based on a conversation with an owner. He said he got rid of his H1 because quite often after traversing rough terrain the truck would need a 4 wheel alignment to keep from tearing up the tires once back on the pavement. He said on 2 occations he couldn't drive the thing at all once back on the road. When he tried one tire left a large black stripe of rubber as he drove. So while he might feel good about the offroad experience you might get the last laugh.

 

[turbocruiser]

Sammy, not as any offense in any way at all, but I would have to echo Phaedrus. If neither you nor your friend have had much workin with wheelin, I would suggest you go with groups who know what to do, where to go, where that surprise drop-off is, where that surprise sink-hole is, whatever. Like I wrote, this is not intended as insult whatsoever, in fact, it is the same advice I took. I rapidly got in the local cruiser club (great group) as soon as I actually accomplished getting a cruiser just so that I took the time to learn to wheel my rig the right way and the safe way. There is so much to learn to get to the level of so many of the fine folks on this list. To pretend to know it all, if you do not know it all, is borderline suicidal and bigtime stupid at the absolute least. The worst scenario in my opinion is to get two or more rookies trying to outdo the other! Remember, there is nothing wrong with being a proud and proper rookie; the learning curve is fun and safe! Having stated the sermon, I would have to humbly admit that without the lockers, that H1, provided it will fit, will go through much more than the 80.

 

[turbocruiser]

BTW, anyone know how much wider an H1 is over an 80, over a 100? Just wondering.

 

[T Y L E R]

o

 

[cruiserman]

Go and have fun. Maybe you'll learn something.

 

[Sammy Jenkins]

Its not like we have no experience out on the trail; I know what the hell I'm doing out there.

 

[turbocruiser]

[quote author=Sammy Jenkins link=board=2;threadid=15762;start=msg149927#msg149927 date=1083632033]
We have the same amount of off road experience; which is hardly any at all. [/quote]

Hi Sammy, this is where we were getting the thought that you would want more experience prior to putting the cruiser through the paces. No insult was intended. There are several right and wrong ways to learn this stuff and there is nothing wrong with going out there green, taking it slowly, and learning for yourself. I think we were just wanting to advise you to avoid the macho motivated method of two rookies trying to outdo the other. Anyway, go out and do it man, just do it safely and in small steps! Take Care.

 

[GXO]

One way to find out....

If you are going out to compete and not have fun, you shouldn't be going.

You should want your friend to make it everywhere you go so you can both enjoy the day.

No one should suffer or be left behind just so you can have a good time.

Don't make me get out the ruler.

 

[PHAEDRUS]

Sammy I was alos not trying to slam you or call you a newb or anything else. I have seen what minor experience and trying to keep up with your bros will do to a cruiser. its called turtling and it is not cool and it tends to kill trucks (ask me how I know and why I will never run moab rim again) the club comment was to 1. get to know some other wheelers in your area. 2. get to know some other trails you don't know about. 3. get some time in your truck wiht some more experienced people around you while you learn how your truck handles. the one good thing I had when rolling my truck was that my freind was experienced at winching and had me back on my wheels in less than 5 minutes. its just good to have experience working for you.
Dave

 

[CDN_Cruiser]

[quote author=Sammy Jenkins link=board=2;threadid=15762;start=msg150187#msg150187 date=1083673427]
Its not like we have no experience out on the trail; I know what the hell I'm doing out there.
[/quote]

Famous last words

I've done some wheeling with H1s. Very strong, solid engine, great diesel compression. Poor articulation but lockers help, poor in the twisties.

 

[MoJ]

My $'s on the H1.

 

[moralien]

Alright class we just went over this...
https://forum.ih8mud.com/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=14751

I will echo the club sentiment. If you’re fairly new to offroading the safest thing for all parties involved would be to do this in a group. Besides if his H1 needs to be recovered you will need more then an 80. As far as who has the baddest rig. I would bet it's the guy behind the wheel that impacts how the day goes. Besides if you really want to make him look silly you can always take your TJ. :

 

[Sammy Jenkins]

TJ is out of the question; I'm not going to wheel with it yet becuase 1. the gears are fawked up and they need to be redone. 2. Its a stick and I've never done some wheeling with a stick; don't want to look like a fool. I didn't take any offense to anyone's post. And MoJ, my money is on the H1 as well.

 

[e9999]

Don't the original Hs have much higher ground clearance ?
E

 

[Sammy Jenkins]

Yea the H1 has a higher ground clearence, but not as big as you think. My dad has an H2, so when I took my friends H1 for a drive I was comparing both vehicles