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Infiniti QX56, Nissan Armada to Go Separate Ways - Auto Shows

The QX56 is the last Infiniti to share its architecture with a Nissan, but that will change for the next generation.

ALISA PRIDDLE, November 2007 It’s time for a clean break. The next-generation Infiniti QX56 full-size SUV will be the final Infiniti to separate itself from platform sharing with its Nissan brethren.
The QX56, which debuted for 2004, is a mechanical brother to the Nissan Armada, both of which are built at Nissan’s Canton, Mississippi, plant.
But the next-generation QX56 is expected to move to the architecture used by the Patrol luxury SUV, which has attained semi–cult status in other parts of the world. The four-wheel-drive Patrol has been made in Japan since 1950 and is sold in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Central and South America, South Africa, and the Middle East as a direct competitor to the Toyota Land Cruiser. This extreme off-roader is currently offered with a 4.8-liter gasoline engine or a 3.0-liter common-rail turbo-diesel.
The original QX56 did not meet expectations, admits Mark Igo, vice-president and general manager for Infiniti in North America, in an interview with Car and Driver at the L.A. auto show. But the vehicle was upgraded for 2008—made quieter, with improved materials and a better navigation system—and sales have increased 35 percent since June.
Now the automaker is discussing what the Infiniti SUV needs for the next generation, centering on the idea of splitting off from the platform it shares with the Armada.
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“More elegance would be great,” Igo tells us. “The QX56 could migrate to [the Patrol architecture] if it could meet the size needed for the U.S. We couldn’t shrink the QX for the U.S. to use the Patrol.”
“We’re deciding on it now,” Igo says, adding that the 2008 refresh buys the QX56 a few more years in its current form.
The move likely means moving assembly of the future QX56 back to Japan. Nissan is also moving Quest minivan assembly back to Japan for the next generation.
The Armada, meanwhile, will continue to be based on the same platform as the Nissan Frontier and Titan pickups, Igo says, noting it all comes down to volume and cost in an attempt to create commonalities wherever possible. The pickups and the Armada already combine for economies of scale, making it financially feasible to splinter off the QX.
Nissan will keep the Armada as a body-on-frame truck, as opposed to joining the car-based crossover band wagon, says Tom Lane, corporate vice-president in charge of product planning and strategy for the parent company, Nissan Motor Corporation. Instead, the automaker will work to improve the SUV, particularly on extracting greater fuel economy from the powertrain.
 
Oh man, if they are bringing the Patrol here, my Cruiser loyalty will be seriously threatened!

However, IMHO, I think it makes much more sense to drop the Armada and keep it a Nissan Patrol, and keep the QX56 on the current Armada platform. The Armada platform has the potential for being a better luxury vehicle (four wheel independent suspension, huge interior real estate, etc.). The Patrol is a rugged and capable truck (currently still with two solid axles) that fits better in the Nissan marketing image.

Well, either way, if we get a Patrol in the States (and it still has two solid axles) that may have to be our next truck, sorry Toyota...

edit: Igo's size comments also point toward the Patrol in its current state not being right for the QX. Maybe Nissan is thinking about bloating up the next gen Patrol so that it can also be used for the QX, but if it did, that would just plain suck. It's one of the last of the hard-core off-road wagons left in the world. I hope they don't ruin it like Toyota did with the 200 Series.
 
my thoughts exactly... if they want to go more luxurious in the QX56 then the Patrol frame will not have two solid axles...thats for sure...:doh:





Oh man, if they are bringing the Patrol here, my Cruiser loyalty will be seriously threatened!

However, IMHO, I think it makes much more sense to drop the Armada and keep it a Nissan Patrol, and keep the QX56 on the current Armada platform. The Armada platform has the potential for being a better luxury vehicle (four wheel independent suspension, huge interior real estate, etc.). The Patrol is a rugged and capable truck (currently still with two solid axles) that fits better in the Nissan marketing image.

Well, either way, if we get a Patrol in the States (and it still has two solid axles) that may have to be our next truck, sorry Toyota...

edit: Igo's size comments also point toward the Patrol in its current state not being right for the QX. Maybe Nissan is thinking about bloating up the next gen Patrol so that it can also be used for the QX, but if it did, that would just plain suck. It's one of the last of the hard-core off-road wagons left in the world. I hope they don't ruin it like Toyota did with the 200 Series.
 
would probably be better to keep the qx56 as is and use the patrol as the replacement for the nissan armada. also it seems interesting that nissan is shifting a lot of there production back to japan
 
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“More elegance would be great,” Igo tells us. “The QX56 could migrate to [the Patrol architecture] if it could meet the size needed for the U.S. We couldn’t shrink the QX for the U.S. to use the Patrol.”

That means the body would be totally different (and a lot bigger) than the Patrol.

It would mean a 200 series (or bigger) body on a modified Patrol chassis. "Elegance" ... makes me think the SFA would not make it in any form.

If it is based on the Patrol, it would be a radically different form than the Patrol.

The current Patrol (which I love!) is about 80/100series size. The Armada/QX is HUGE in comparison.

Even if it had SFA, I don't think I want a 9 passenger huge QX. Might as well get a V10 turbodiesel SuperDuty or something that you can have fun w/ tons of aftermarket.

Now if the actual Patrol came here as is :bounce: I would be a Nissan loyalist!
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Nissan Patrol is the only Nissan I respect within the last decade.
 
Nissan Patrol is the only Nissan I respect within the last decade.

Hmm, personally, I also respect the Skyline GT-R and 350Z. Or did you mean Nissan trucks? :flipoff2:
 
Hmm, personally, I also respect the Skyline GT-R and 350Z. Or did you mean Nissan trucks? :flipoff2:
Yes, trucks. New GT-R is simply bad ass. 350z is garbage. Previous Z's are awesome. 300z is a very respectable car, but the Supra has always been superior ;)
 
Yes, trucks. New GT-R is simply bad ass. 350z is garbage. Previous Z's are awesome. 300z is a very respectable car, but the Supra has always been superior ;)


Again, I don't know if I'd say garbage on the 350. I don't own one but do get to drive one quite often (my sister has a Touring version). Interior materials may be a bit lacking, but for the money I can't think of very many cars that can match it.

The Supra was great, but Toyota priced it right out of its market.
 
Again, I don't know if I'd say garbage on the 350. I don't own one but do get to drive one quite often (my sister has a Touring version). Interior materials may be a bit lacking, but for the money I can't think of very many cars that can match it.

The Supra was great, but Toyota priced it right out of its market.

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also, the supra was considered a pig at the time. Overall, not as highly rated as some but it does have a stellar engine.

I really like the G35 coupe, bit nicer than the Z w/ most of the fun factor.
 
g35 is a heckuva lot better car in my opinion. IT has nice styling inside and out and better materials.
 

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