LX700h Overtrail - First Wheeling Impressions (5 Viewers)
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Only with the third row. Without the third row it’s acceptable. Still not as big as the 200 though.
For real! It was shocking that they even allowed that much space to be taken up. And then push the third row as standard equipment. I would of guessed they make the 3rd row optional as most folks prefer space over an extra 2 seats.
For the other models I can understand Lexus pushing the third row as standard. There is probably a market demand in the luxury segment for 3-row cars needed by the soccer moms/dads, but for the OT, it should have been the opposite. Like you said, offer the 3 row as optional and make the 2 row standard.
Just look at the 200HE - exactly what they did.
Canyonero
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As someone who owns this and uses it as a family rig, off roader and overlander, the 3rd row/lack of space complaints strike me as exaggerated.
Like what exactly are you guys trying to bring that won’t fit? Do you need your industrial strength hairdryer?
I mentioned elsewhere that the 3 row allows for a flat floor, which is quite useful for cargo or sleeping.
Add roof rails from lexus and a rooftop box and now you have the cargo space of a minivan. Problem solved.
Also, overlanding with a trailer review coming soon…
Like I said, the third row should be optional on the OT. When Toyota designed the 200HE it was with an offroad mentality. No running boards, no fridge for added storage (knowing most of us carry a portable fridge), rougher leather for added durability and, guess what? no third row for space galore to fit drawers, fridges, etc. etc....As someone who owns this and uses it as a family rig, off roader and overlander, the 3rd row/lack of space complaints strike me as exaggerated.
Like what exactly are you guys trying to bring that won’t fit? Do you need your industrial strength hairdryer?
I mentioned elsewhere that the 3 row allows for a flat floor, which is quite useful for cargo or sleeping.
Add roof rails from lexus and a rooftop box and now you have the cargo space of a minivan. Problem solved.
Also, overlanding with a trailer review coming soon…
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It is not just the lack of space; it is also the high load floor. Here are a couple of examples for you:
1) In my 200HE, I can fit my road bike standing without even having to remove the front wheel; Not a chance this would be possible with that lack of height.
2) The high floor will be a challenge for someone with a big dog to climb from the ground.
3) Lifting heavy loads, like a portable fridge for example will be a pain.
Should I go on?
I think the hairdryer would be ok though.
don't leave us hanging like that....hope by coming soon you mean by EOD tomorrow?As someone who owns this and uses it as a family rig, off roader and overlander, the 3rd row/lack of space complaints strike me as exaggerated.
Like what exactly are you guys trying to bring that won’t fit? Do you need your industrial strength hairdryer?
I mentioned elsewhere that the 3 row allows for a flat floor, which is quite useful for cargo or sleeping.
Add roof rails from lexus and a rooftop box and now you have the cargo space of a minivan. Problem solved.
Also, overlanding with a trailer review coming soon…
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As someone who owns this and uses it as a family rig, off roader and overlander, the 3rd row/lack of space complaints strike me as exaggerated.
Like what exactly are you guys trying to bring that won’t fit? Do you need your industrial strength hairdryer?
I mentioned elsewhere that the 3 row allows for a flat floor, which is quite useful for cargo or sleeping.
Add roof rails from lexus and a rooftop box and now you have the cargo space of a minivan. Problem solved.
Also, overlanding with a trailer review coming soon…
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We did a two week road trip up to Maine last summer with our four kids in our LX600 and made it work without a rooftop rack or box FWIW. Folded one of the third row seats seats down for more luggage room and three sat across the second row. Don't think the slightly higher rear floor of the OT would have affected us at all TBH.
Canyonero
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Uh…Like I said, the third row should be optional on the OT. When Toyota designed the 200HE it was with an offroad mentality. No running boards, no fridge for added storage (knowing most of us carry a portable fridge), rougher leather for added durability and, guess what? no third row for space galore to fit drawers, fridges, etc. etc....
It is not just the lack of space; it is also the high load floor. Here are a couple of examples for you:
1) In my 200HE, I can fit my road bike standing without even having to remove the front wheel; Not a chance this would be possible with that lack of height.
2) The high floor will be a challenge for someone with a big dog to climb from the ground.
3) Lifting heavy loads, like a portable fridge for example will be a pain.
Should I go on?
I think the hairdryer would be ok though.
1) Bike rack.
2) AHS lowers pretty well, but also there are dog ramps for this sort of thing. Also it’s an off road focused SUV, so being high off the ground is part of the idea. For someone who constantly complains the front chin is too low, now the back is too high?
3) See also 2 above. But also, “Waaaah”.
Hit the gym. 
Yeah.... So now I have to carry a bike rack on and off, a freaking dog ramp and start a gym membership? Come on, I just paid $120k for this, I want massage seats, milk and cookies.Uh…
1) Bike rack.
2) AHS lowers pretty well, but also there are dog ramps for this sort of thing. Also it’s an off road focused SUV, so being high off the ground is part of the idea. For someone who constantly complains the front chin is too low, now the back is too high?
3) See also 2 above. But also, “Waaaah”.
In all seriousness, let's just wait for when the 2rows start hitting the lots and revisit this to check which one people taking it OffRoad are mostly buying.
Canyonero
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I mean, there is absolutely no point to the LX700h OT for most people.Yeah.... So now I have to carry a bike rack on and off, a freaking dog ramp and start a gym membership? Come on, I just paid $120k for this, I want massage seats, milk and cookies.
It’s very flawed. Very compromised. It has…issues.
There are better vehicles out there for literally everything the LX does, other than: 1) at the extreme edge of capability, 2) while having a 3rd row.
If you want a 2 row 4x4, the world is your oyster. Why even consider the LX? It’s objectively inferior to many other vehicles available.
Your complaints would cease to exist with a Lincoln Navigator/Ford Expedition. Or a Range Rover. Or a Defender. Or a GMC Yukon. All of these manufacturers make legit off road ready versions of their SUVs..
So with Toyota, it’s the same as it ever was. The vehicles they sell are conservative and compromised, full of cost cutting and middle fingers to their customers, and the vehicles are objectively worse than the competition in most classes. But theoretically reliable.
There are so many reasons to never even consider the LX700 OT (and storage isn’t even top 5)… but here we are.
I say: If you’re here and reading this, you’re probably an enthusiast on some level. If you understand the LX OT and why it’s special, and if you can afford it, just buy it already and thank Toyota for making it.
They didn’t have to.
They make their money on RAV4s and Tacomas and 4Runners, this is just them throwing us a bone.
Canyonero
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Here's a vehicle that's objectively better on (I think) every metric you can measure the LX OT against other than #1 above, the extreme edge of capability.
The resale value will be higher for the LX, but no one knows at what level it will actually be, so I am not going to speculate. Otherwise, the Expedition Tremor is a no-brainer at - get this - $40k less money.
1) Similar power figures.
2) Available with no hybrid battery compromising space = far superior cargo volume.
3) 18" wheels and 33" tires
4) Locking rear diff.
5) Far better UI (if you've experienced a modern Ford Truck, you know), far superior customer-facing technology.
6) Arguably (I would certainly argue this) considerably more luxury feel and amenities vs. the Lexus.
7) Better fuel economy.
8) Twice the range on a single tank of gas.
9) Significantly better towing tech plus longer wheelbase means more stable towing.
10) Significantly higher towing ability (9600 lbs vs. 8k for LX).
11) Far better sound system than on the LX (I have a 2024 F-150 Raptor and can confirm).
12) Higher payload. Tremor package still has 1360lbs vs. 1160lbs for LX OT.
13) Value. $40k less out the door is an enormous delta even for the zombie Toyota buyer. I've owned a number of Ford products and have found them to be built well (and I am one to push vehicles hard).
The resale value will be higher for the LX, but no one knows at what level it will actually be, so I am not going to speculate. Otherwise, the Expedition Tremor is a no-brainer at - get this - $40k less money.
1) Similar power figures.
2) Available with no hybrid battery compromising space = far superior cargo volume.
3) 18" wheels and 33" tires
4) Locking rear diff.
5) Far better UI (if you've experienced a modern Ford Truck, you know), far superior customer-facing technology.
6) Arguably (I would certainly argue this) considerably more luxury feel and amenities vs. the Lexus.
7) Better fuel economy.
8) Twice the range on a single tank of gas.
9) Significantly better towing tech plus longer wheelbase means more stable towing.
10) Significantly higher towing ability (9600 lbs vs. 8k for LX).
11) Far better sound system than on the LX (I have a 2024 F-150 Raptor and can confirm).
12) Higher payload. Tremor package still has 1360lbs vs. 1160lbs for LX OT.
13) Value. $40k less out the door is an enormous delta even for the zombie Toyota buyer. I've owned a number of Ford products and have found them to be built well (and I am one to push vehicles hard).
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I dunno, one of the first things I did with my 3 row was to take my xl ebike in for service by throwing it in the back...Yeah.... So now I have to carry a bike rack on and off, a freaking dog ramp and start a gym membership? Come on, I just paid $120k for this, I want massage seats, milk and cookies.
I watched Topher or Winding Road review this thing off-road and was very impressed. I loved the simplicity of the dash/infotainment as well. Sharp looking too.
Don't forget the best thing about it - split tailgate!
This reasoning is why they pulled the LC out of the U.S. market. I personally know that the LC / LX can handle way more for way longer than any Ford. There is a reason they are chosen for remote travel, war zones, etc. You are paying for the heritage and legacy of the engineering. Knowing you are getting a solid product that should easily last you 25 years is worth the added markup. How many Explorers do you see on the road still that are 25 years old? On paper they have all the goodies compared to Toyotas. How many 25 year old 4 runners and LCs do you see? Dozens daily.
Canyonero
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I bought the LX, I clearly saw value.
But if you can’t refute every metric I posted, your only hope is to repeat the Toyota mantra: reliability.
Yeah, reliability. Maybe. We all know Toyota recalled this V6, including in the LX. There is no shortage of videos with late model Toyota 4x4s breaking under easy-to-moderate off road conditions.
The age we live in, where everyone has a camera and a YouTube channel, has not been kind to Toyota and their reputation for bulletproof vehicles.
Again, I bought one. I’m hoping it will not disappoint. Time will tell.
For the “it will last 25 years” argument: it’s an illogical statement. At this price point, anyone who can afford this rig doesn’t NEED 25 years out of it.
Also, if that were actually something you could take to the bank - it will last forever- why doesn’t Toyota warranty it accordingly?
Yeah. Exactly.
Same warranty as the Ford.
We have $18k company Kias with a 10 year 100k miles warranty.
Toyota has people on forums like this carry their water because it’s cheaper than actually standing by their product for 10 years.
Because engineers don’t set warranty terms. Marketing people and accountants do.
