LX570 vs LC

[mike552]

the 2016's were really hit with the ugly stick while the LC had some tasteful exterior updates.

I happen to think both the LC an LX got uglier for 2016+, but you’re right the LC is much more palatable.

 

[TeCKis300]

When it comes to handling, two words - beep beep

That's the sound of stability control reigning in the fun when cornering too hard and the stability system detects slip.

AHC to regular suspension, stock vs stock is an interesting discussion. I have no doubt in my mind where the advantages lie. Where AHC earns its keep is once modified. LX to lifted static suspensions. Have all the obstacle clearance one wants, while keeping all the handling where the vehicle spend 99% of our time.

No one mentions it, but when modified and lifted via static suspension, handling limits become atrociously low. Beep beep. Some might be very acquainted with that sound. AHC rigs don't have to choose between compromises of tailoring for off-road vs on-road.

It'll do both.

 

[NYC570]

Track times:

BMW M4 vs Lexus RC F - FastestLaps.com

Compare performance of Lexus RC F and BMW M4. Updated April 2025.

fastestlaps.com

M4 is better at the track than RCF...not by a huge margin but significantly and consistently better.

And here is C&D Lightning Lap track times: Lightning Lap Results 2006 to 2019: Every Car, Every Lap Time

Significant difference b/w 2015 RCF vs. M4...again favoring M4.

So, MT Figure 8 time is NOT wrong b/w the two vehicles. It correctly predicted the track superiority of the M4.



As for LC KDSS vs. LX AHC, good luck waiting for track times! LC may have more lean around slow sweeping road and more brake dive, but that does not seem to translate to ultimate handling prowess. I wonder if AHC may be worst in fast transitions...slower reacting time of the AHC vs natural progression of steel springs?? It would be interesting to see how both reacts to emergency lane change and correction.

To make everyone happy, LX is a great vehicle especially on used market...great value.

I never mentioned that the M4 wasn't the better track car, I know it is. I only alluded to the fact that figure 8 numbers aren't the end all as far as handling is concerned. The M4 destroyed the RCF in the figure 8 but that wasn't represented at the track according to motor trend five years ago. The drivers were very surprised by the outcome.

 

[NYC570]

I like teckis300 passion for LX570 suspension. I also share his enthusiasm and think the LX has the best AHC suspension. I want one, mostly for passenger comfort and love newer LXs. I dont share his opinion of AHC being superior to springs. I want it to be and I think its super awesome how software can change ride height and compensate for weight. My last car had mercedes hydraulic to mimic spring suspension (Active Body Control - ABC) which they have discontinued due to its highly problematic nature (over $40k was spent maintaining it). Im very picky on car suspensions and base my car purchases over it. AHC can not mimic a true spring suspension it comes close but not close enough.

Madtiger, im grateful for you posting the figure 8 test. For years I wonder why I chose a LC over the LX. I didnt have a logical explanation based on factual data. You finally posted my reasons for paying $8,000 more to a comparable LX (not to mention the extra $10k+ in upgrades). I didn't realize the LX was heavier and I did notice it was slower off the line (I assumed it was sluggish programming in ECU - I had to reset my LC and floor it for a few days to reprogram my shift points). I don't think its the weight that makes LX feel sloppy esp at slow speeds, its the nature of AHC. I tried a simple test of parking an LC and an LX in the exact same tight parking spot at the dealer. The LX because of AHC cut a wider circle and felt more disconnected/less confidence inspiring. AHC performs better at higher speeds/sharper angles. Also I like overly robust suspensions and AHC doesnt seem bomb proof. As I like hitting things at full throttle and making jumps, I need to have a bomb proof suspension. I once bent the axle of a mercedes g class. The LC takes a whooping and keeps on ticking. As far as I'm concerned it likes and handles the abuse. The 200 by nature is a never die heavy duty truck. I dont think AHC can handle that type of abuse.

I saw this ad and bought LC to do bigger jumps. From what I have asked the arab desert drifting jumpers, AHC routinely breaks in the middle of the desert.


I am a 200 Superfan both LX570 and LC. They both have pluses and minuses. It really depends on driving style and use. If I had a family with kids, I'd be driving an LX.

I don't understand your comment about springs. The AHC is a "spring suspension" like you mentioned. Also, unless you were turning at the limit where suspension comes into play, turning radius should be the same since they have the same steering rack and components.

 

[Reckless]

I don't understand your comment about springs. The AHC is a "spring suspension" like you mentioned. Also, unless you were turning at the limit where suspension comes into play, turning radius should be the same since they have the same steering rack and components.

It was probably KDSS which gives LC better handling. AHC has hydraulic fluid to mimic a spring suspension.

 

[TeCKis300]

I'm with @NYC570 . Suspension performance doesn't come into play at parking lot speeds. It's all suspension geometry, something that is identical between the two cars.

To use annecdotal stories about Merc's, and apply that to Toyota designed and validated parts? Hrmm...no. I'll give you that the standard suspensions by virtue of less complexity, especially OEM stuff, can be more field repairable. Aftermarket parts, may be better for a limited time for certain uses, but won't hold a candle long term to OEM validated components - standard static OEM suspension or AHC.

AHC will easily do the off-road and desert running stuff, even when equipped on a rest of world LC:


No problems here. Just as I've never had a problem in my running off-road.

 

[slowride]

BMW M4 vs Lexus RC F ????

Keep muddying the waters and changing the subject every time your lame reasoning is exposed - with new and fascinating Google search facts... ( impressive )

Are you an expert witness by any chance???

LOL!!!

 

[Reckless]

I'm with @NYC570 . Suspension performance doesn't come into play at parking lot speeds. It's all suspension geometry, something that is identical between the two cars.

To use annecdotal stories about Merc's, and apply that to Toyota designed and validated parts? Hrmm...no. I'll give you that the standard suspensions by virtue of less complexity, especially OEM stuff, can be more field repairable. Aftermarket parts, may be better for a limited time for certain uses, but won't hold a candle long term to OEM validated components - standard static OEM suspension or AHC.

AHC will easily do the off-road and desert running stuff, even when equipped on a rest of world LC:


No problems here. Just as I've never had a problem in my running off-road.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I NEVER said that benz parts are similar to Toyotas in any way. I was pointing out my experience and why I am ADAMANT on a good/perfect suspension after going through severe aggravation with the V12 TT (FYI it was over $65k in insurance repairs almost entirely for suspension over 8 years).

In response to your theoretical and completely baseless assessment of AHC in other parts of the world. Toyotaislife's perspective holds alot of weight in my eyes. He officially tests for Toyota and has done alot of tuning king/icons and has plenty of real world experience. Dubai and the gulf are one of the biggest Land Cruiser markets. If I was there I'd be one of those guys in the video you posted destroying land cruisers/nissan patrols.
I tried a stock lx570, increased damping force helps 0.1%. AHC components ended up in the junkyard like all other LX570 here

I have also heard the same in the outback although I am unable to find a post directly on ih8mud.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/795004/toyota-landcruiser-hits-10-million-global-sales-passes-1-million-in-australia/
FYI there are only 39 LX570 and 8 LX470 for sale in ALL of australia. Considering they have over 1+ million land cruisers that should tell you what the aussies think of AHC. I also deeply respect what Aussies think (fan of ARB). Both of these markets have dictated the future of land cruisers/lx570.

Now dont think I am dogging LX570. I want one. They are perfect for soccer moms and family vehicles esp in United States because of passenger comfort (very important factor). I may buy one before my cybertruck if covid delays launch or trade in my ARB lifted LX470 for a AHC LX570 - mostly to drive my mother and father in (instead of their benz). I'm also considering putting 35s on my LX470. Not sure if I will like it.

On a side note, I'm glad Elon Musk shelved the Tesla Roadster to focus on cybertruck. I somehow believe that will become my land cruiser replacement IF he plays his cards right. The future is electric and he is making the iphone/smart phone of vehicles. I just hope he doesn't screw it up.

 

[coleAK]

AHC has springs... on another note. Oshkosh uses An active dampening hydraulic suspension in the JLATV, so hardly an inferior option for high speed off road and the desert.

 

[Madtiger]

Figure 8 numbers aren't the end all as far as handling is concerned. For example when the RCF was tested against the M4 in the figure 8, the M4 demolished the RCF. Everyone was surprised when the actual track time difference wasn't representative given the RCFs disadvantages.

I have a 2012 ISF and a 2014 911 tts that have been fairly modified for track duty.

BMW M4 vs Lexus RC F ????

Keep muddying the waters and changing the subject every time your lame reasoning is exposed - with new and fascinating Google search facts... ( impressive )

Are you an expert witness by any chance???

LOL!!!

Slowmind, why are you insulting NYC570??!! Pathetic dude. Do you follow NYC570 around the forum just to find a spot to insult him??!! Talk about creepy stalker sh!t.

 

[slowride]

Slowmind, why are you insulting NYC570??!! Pathetic dude. Do you follow NYC570 around the forum just to find a spot to insult him??!! Talk about creepy stalker sh!t.

LOL!!!

I'm not following NYC570... Why would I ???

Typical diversion response from you...

A Straw Man you be...

A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man". of all things...

And as far as "creepy stalker s***" is concerned...

Would you please stop PM'ing me???

I'm sure the mature adult Moderators of this site can easily track the "One Way ONLY Creepy" PM's you send me...

This is an internet forum after all about a "vehicle"... Can all agree that we love???

Peace out!!!!

 

[hiwasseetaco]

I wonder at what point the OP quit giving a $hite about this thread.