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LukeZero

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Looking to buy a kayak. Something relatively in-expensive. Just want to go out and play on the river and get away from some of the stress in my life. Not looking for whitewater, or sea kayak. Something in-between. Probably a sit-in rather than a sit-on. What do you have?

If you don't have something for sale- what suggestions do you have?

Thanks,

Luke
 
I've got a Ocean Kayak Caper (Caper™ - Compact Day Tripper Kayak - Ocean Kayak) sit on top. Does alright, kinda bought it just on dimensions and never really testing it out. I don't have any experience with sit ins. One thing I have to recommend is go test em out first. Most places around here (Texas Coast) have demo models and a large pool or nearby bay so you can test. Around here Ocean Kayak, Hobie, Wilderness Systems, and Heritage are the most common, but these are for bay/surf/beyond the breakers fishing.

Do you plan to do any fishing out of it? Just paddle around? How big are you, height, weight? I'll help as much as I can to get another 'yakker started. Besides the yak, paddle and seat are something you don't want to skimp on.
 
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I've got a Ocean Kayak Caper (Caper™ - Compact Day Tripper Kayak - Ocean Kayak) sit on top. Does alright, kinda bought it just on dimensions and never really testing it out. I don't have any experience with sit ins. One thing I have to recommend is go test em out first. Most places around here (Texas Coast) have demo models and a large pool or nearby bay so you can test. Around here Ocean Kayak, Hobie, Wilderness Systems, and Heritage are the most common, but these are for bay/surf/beyond the breakers fishing.

Do you plan to do any fishing out of it? Just paddle around? How big are you, height, weight? I'll help as much as I can to get another 'yakker started. Besides the yak, paddle and seat are something you don't want to skimp on.

I used to have a Seda Glider 19' Kevlar sea kayak. It was a little too big for my uses. I'. 5' 11" 194 lbs. and where I can go easily is a pretty shallow river. I don't fish at all, just looking to go out and relax.

Thank for the advice,

Luke
 
If you had a decent budget for a kayak I'd suggest a Folbot Kodiak.

Single seater. Good for sea (with a rudder kit) and inland waterways (not so good on whitewater). Collapsible and will fit in your trunk. Dimensions are 15 feet long by 28 inches wide and weighs whatever 24 kilograms is in pounds.

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i like my old towne duringo 120. 12ft with a real hatch lid that can be opened and closed with one hand with ease. I have found a few of these on craigslist and they were more than what i paid for mine new.
 
...Not looking for whitewater, or sea kayak. Something in-between. ...
Thanks,

Luke
We have been thinking about getting kayaks too.
I believe what you are describing is called a flat water kayak.

Google turns up a ton of results. ;)
 
I'd recommend something in the 13-15 foot range if you plan on going any distance in a day, smaller if your just gonna tool around. Here is a link to help pick out a paddle Austin Canoe & Kayak - Choosing a Paddle . Sit insides you stay much drier in, but the one thing I love about my sit on top is being able to lay back and just enjoy the scenery.
 
what you are looking for is a recreational flatwater kayak. every manufacturer makes them: Old Town, Perception, Dagger, etc. wide, flat beam, sit in, fairly short. I'll leave it to you to google 'em.

they do surprizingly well on small whitewater...
 
I'll second the Old Town Dirigo. Cabela's has some good deals right now on them.
 
Cool thread, but I have nothing to offer.

I learned and used a Perception Dancer........that's how out of date I am.
 
Cool thread, but I have nothing to offer.

I learned and used a Perception Dancer........that's how out of date I am.
My kayak dates to the mid '70s, and is a classic pointy whitewater style. I've used it in the surf much more than in any river or lake.
 
Ive owned two different kayaks, both sit on top's and both used 90% fishing for 90%of the time I fished (I owned a boat and still took the yaks out more than I did the boat).

I had one of those inflatable ones, and I rented various other yaks until I found the one i HAD to have. My first kayak was an Ocean Kayak Prowler 13. Very fast, very stable, and very light compared to other kayaks with similar specs. Since I was doing an A$$ load of fishing from it, I wanted something even more stable. Something I could stand up and pole in the flats, cast and land a fish....while standing. My next was a Wilderness systems Ride (I did give a hard look at the Native Manta Rays and the Perception Searchs). Less quick because of the weight and a bit more heavy because of the gerth. Loved this yak for what I was doing, I could stand up and do the boo-ga-loo and not worry about going over. We still have one Prowler 13 in the garage, and if I get another yak it will most likely be another P13.

One thing I will say that will make a considerable difference with any kayak: get a good paddle (yes, I mean spend atleast $200), get a good seat (again, somewhere in the $150-$200 range), and get a rudder. These 3 items are worth thier weight in gold. They will absolutely make paddling easier and lots more comfortable. Cheap out on a paddle and you will be tired in a jiffy from doing twice the work you really need to be doing. A rudder is absolutely priceless. Even the slightest wind will reek havok on keeping your course. You will be doing the ol 3 stokes on one side then 1 on the other just to stay straight.....GET A RUDDER. Finally, the seat. You want to be as comfortable and have all the proper support you can get while you are paddling. It is the difference between your body being wrecked for two days after, or a little sore in the shoulders from paddling 10 miles against the wind both ways.

I would not leave the store without a rudder on your kayak. You can get the others later and you will be so glad you did.

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Here's a suggestion, especially if you're on a budget...buy a rental. I got a great deal last April on a Wilderness Systems 120 in perfect condition for less than half the price of a new one. The outfitter had a decent selection, and he took the time to load a few on the truck and drive to the landing and let me test them out and pick one. This shop was in Bastrop Texas. Like others said, don't skimp on the accessories: good quality seat, paddle, vest, etc.
 
I've had good experiences with the Ocean Prowler 11. It is a little too small for me, but a nice boat to paddle and fish in. It is very stable and easy to carry due to its light weight. I have demo'd a Wilderness Systems Tarpon 160 and it too was a great boat. Even more stable than the Ocean, but then again it was 5 feet longer and a tad wider. I will be buying this boat for myself early next year.

Ditto on getting a good paddle and rudder system. These two items are priceless, especially in windy conditions.
 
For river use, look for something in the 12 to 14 foot length. Any shorter than 12' and the bow will 'bob' side to side with each stroke (a reaction to the force of your torso). My shortest kayak is 10' and I hate it. The bow movement is very inefficient. I fell like I have to work at near maximum capacity to maintain what would be a cruising speed in my 14 footer. Any longer than 14' and you'll have some difficulty with tighter river turns. 16' is about as long as you would want to go for river use. Even then you'll have some frustrations. I love my 14 footer for rivers.

A rudder is nice but only if you expect any type of a cross wind. My 14' has double duty as river and lake kayak...I only use the rudder on the lake and rarely use it on the rivers. It can actually be a hindrance in the shallows and debris of a river. In those cases, I just keep the rudder 'raised' and out of the water. If you get a rudder, you can always not use it. I will admit, I love the rudder for the lake.

I second the 'buy used' recommendation. Mine was a demo for a local kayak shop. Other than the word 'demo' melted into the bow, I never would have known. I actually bought it used from the guy who bought it used from the kayak shop.

I would highly recommend a sit-in type of cockpit. I have friends who have sit-on-top and they always prefer my second sit-in when we go out. If you plan on doing anything more than a few easy miles or if you plan on actually getting your heart rate up or covering some distance...I would recommend going sit-in. Plus, getting a spray skirt really helps keep in the heat for the cold weather paddling.

As far as kayak materials, mine are all plastic (Wilderness Systems 'duralite'). Some call them 'tupperware.' They are definitely heavier than a fiberglass kayak but I can bounce off about anything, scrape bottom, drag it over fallen trees, I don't have to worry about scratching the paint off and I don't have to worry about cracking anything and springing a leak. I do have to be careful how I store it as I do not want to warp the plastic (specially in the heat of the summer) or get any sun fading (red turns to pink...). If you get into racing, the tupperware kayaks are too slow to be competitive. But, you can get pretty serious within the 'recreational realm' with some of the better plastic kayaks.

Getting a good paddle is key. A bigger blade is not necessarily better. Big blades are for sprinting (think white water). Thinner blades are better for distance traveling. In fact, the Inuit eskimos were known from paddling hundreds of miles in open ocean with a blade not much bigger than the palm of your hand. As for blade length, stand in your bare feet and raise one hand as high as you can (stay flat footed). Measure the length from the floor to the tip of your tallest finger for your theoretically ideal paddle length. From there, it is personal preference as to whether or not you want to go slightly shorter or longer. It is nice to get a paddle that can be 'feathered' as it will make a word of difference in moderate to high winds.

Another not often considered piece is a well fitting PFD (life vest; personal flotation device). Do not use a skiing life vest (you'll overheat) or a canoing-type life vest (not enough freedom of movement). Kayak vests allow better shoulder and torso movement. They also 'ride high' meaning they end about at the bottom of your rib cage. This lets you sit in the kayak's seat without the seat back pushing the PFD up over your chin. It is nice to have a few front pockets for food and water bottles. Mine didn't come that way (I didn't think of it) and I ended up sewing on some webbing on the front and back so that I could use the military's MOLLE pouches (I put a MOLLE Camelbak bladder on the back webbing and a mesh-bottomed pouch on front for food).

If you plan on doing any overnight paddles, look for bow and stern storage with water proof 'lids'.

Sorry this is so long. A little bit of info goes a long way. I have seen others just jump into a kayak and hate it because they didn't pick what fit them. Don't be afraid to ask the kayak shop to take it out on the water for a demo. You have to feel it in the water to know where the stability is and how your frame fits in the cockpit. Someone from the kayak shop will likely watch you in the water to make sure you don't paddle off with their boat...so you could even ask them how your form looks and try to coax some pointers.

I would consider myself a recreational paddler leaning toward the serious side. My usual route is about 5 miles with the occasional 10 to 15 mile Saturday paddle. I try to stay on the water until it freezes and get back in once it thaws for the Spring. My max is about 28 miles straight (took forever and one of the hardest parts was reminding my legs to walk when I was finished). I have never overnighted.

Hope this helps. Good luck!
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Just saw that you are in Elkhart. Look for "Fluid Fun" in Bristol, IN They have a huge stock and are right next to the St. Joseph river. They actually encourage to take anything they have on the river.
 
Just saw that you are in Elkhart. Look for "Fluid Fun" in Bristol, IN They have a huge stock and are right next to the St. Joseph river. They actually encourage to take anything they have on the river.

If I'd paddle up-river, I could be at Fluid Fun in about an hour. (It's about 8 miles)

I know Matt at Fluid Fun and the manager of the bike shop where I used to work worked for both Matt and Terry before he retired. I bought my Seda from Terry. I know they know what they are talking about, I just wanted to poll the collective 'mud brain to see if it coincided with what I'm being told locally.

Thanks for your advice. It confirms basically everything I'm being encouraged to pursue.

Luke
 
Looking to buy a kayak. Something relatively in-expensive. Just want to go out and play on the river and get away from some of the stress in my life. Not looking for whitewater, or sea kayak. Something in-between. Probably a sit-in rather than a sit-on. What do you have?

If you don't have something for sale- what suggestions do you have?

Thanks,

Luke
I was in the same "boat" as you. I ended up buying the Ocean Kayak Caper. After researching kayaks for a couple of years this is what I chose. It's small enough to fit in the back of my standard bed P.U. with tailgate down, big enough for fishing, and overnight excursions, if You go as light as I do. I also have the Hobie Quest for more serious fishing fishing and longer outings. ... The caper is around 11' , the quest around 13.5'.:cheers:
 

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