Bought 30 gallons at $4.159 in Moscow ID
Local Diesel Prices
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It's gone up a bit lately, in country NSW. $1.55 AUD a litre this afternoon.
That's $1.59 USD a litre.
And $6.01 USD a gallon.
That's $1.59 USD a litre.
And $6.01 USD a gallon.
$1.349/l in Morin Heights, QC last night (US$5.20 / US Gallon). Cheapest in the province reported this week, 1.270(US$4.90/Gal) , highest, 1.454 (US$5.61/Gal).
It never ceases to amaze that although we are an oil producing nation, we ALWAYS pay more when oil goes up, not less (hey, we produce the stuff!) and when our dollar is strong (what's the use). No wonder there is no provincial tax in AB, those northern Sheiks are making money off us out east...
In reality, you can only blame speculators. You know, the rich getting rich betting the poor will get poorer...
It never ceases to amaze that although we are an oil producing nation, we ALWAYS pay more when oil goes up, not less (hey, we produce the stuff!) and when our dollar is strong (what's the use). No wonder there is no provincial tax in AB, those northern Sheiks are making money off us out east...
In reality, you can only blame speculators. You know, the rich getting rich betting the poor will get poorer...
Not sure about those Northern Sheiks taking the blame. You might take a look at how much your gov in Quebec takes on a L of fuel. We all know you have the highest taxes in the country - but also the biggest social programs in the country too. Governments love it when the industry prices on fuel before taxes go up. Most taxes being a precentage means if base prices go up, they collect more tax money too. Diesel will go up over 6 cents a liter July 1 for the carbon tax; and of course, both provincial and federal governments will collect increase tax money via the HST because of the increase.
BTW, filled up last night at Superstore for 122.9/L.
BTW, filled up last night at Superstore for 122.9/L.
Nothing like the government taxing........tax...assholes!
Very polite way of saying they are masters at telling us what to do and how to behave
My kids are in CEGEP now, just another few years to go, I'm only 50km from the border, and I know there is a demand for my line of work in eastern ON. It wouldn't be that difficult...
Tanked in Morin Heights, QC this morning: Paid $1.349/l
Went to work in Lachute, QC
After work drove an extra 20km to Hawkesbury, ON
Filled up there for 1.218/l, 73 litres, saved $9.56
Asked the pump lady where I could get find inexpensive fuel containers
Got directed to a used barrel reseller nearby
Found and bought three super sturdy 70 litre fuel containers containers
They actually fit perfectly in the trunk of the Beast
Went back to the station and filled them: 210 litres
Saved a total of 280x.131=$36.81
Minus cost of three fuel containers, $45
Minus cost of driving to Hawkesbury: 40km@11l/100=4.4 litre x 1.218=$5.36
Total cost of the experiment: 45+5.36-36.81=$13.55
Result of this experiment: three super sturdy fuel containers for a total of 210 litre extra fuel capacity, that fit almost perfectly in height and width in between the wheel wells in the back of the truck, for less than $15, in individual tanks of a size that, when full, can be managed by a single man: Priceless.
Jealous folks may now start to lecture me on the illegality of my actions. Social Moralists may shame me for my tax evasion buying on the other side of the border tomorrow.
Went to work in Lachute, QC
After work drove an extra 20km to Hawkesbury, ON
Filled up there for 1.218/l, 73 litres, saved $9.56
Asked the pump lady where I could get find inexpensive fuel containers
Got directed to a used barrel reseller nearby
Found and bought three super sturdy 70 litre fuel containers containers
They actually fit perfectly in the trunk of the Beast
Went back to the station and filled them: 210 litres
Saved a total of 280x.131=$36.81
Minus cost of three fuel containers, $45
Minus cost of driving to Hawkesbury: 40km@11l/100=4.4 litre x 1.218=$5.36
Total cost of the experiment: 45+5.36-36.81=$13.55
Result of this experiment: three super sturdy fuel containers for a total of 210 litre extra fuel capacity, that fit almost perfectly in height and width in between the wheel wells in the back of the truck, for less than $15, in individual tanks of a size that, when full, can be managed by a single man: Priceless.
Jealous folks may now start to lecture me on the illegality of my actions. Social Moralists may shame me for my tax evasion buying on the other side of the border tomorrow.
No lecture here. Just wondering if those are fuel grade tanks? If so, yes I am jealous and I want some too. How about a bit more info on the tanks? Perhaps I can find them here too. So far all that I have seen around here is food grade tanks used by the packing houses and jam and juice plants.
Of anyone, you would be the last I would expect a lecture from, John, you're my kind of guy, I'm very much 'naturally exasperated' as well
I specifically asked the seller and they have apparently been purchased by locals for transporting aviation fuel (don't ask me what kind, he didn't know any more). There were no markings on the container that I could identify as for the type f plastic, it's possibly HDPE or PP, similar to what standard jerry cans are made of, but much, much thicker. It is completely opaque under strong light.
I filled them almost to the top and during transport there was no spillage and no smell. Although I did not see any visible rubber O-ring of sorts, the cap seems to have some sort of built-in, cone-shaped seal. I was able to screw them tight. I will check further tomorrow.
I will check them more tomorrow and post the markings I found (so far ther only seems to be manufacturing date codes, but no names) . There was no smell whatsoever when I opened them up nor any liquid in them before I filled them. The seller did not know anymore. They have side handles and a recess in the bottom that are helpful for handling them, but the top handles is the sturdiest and easily takes the weight of the filled can. There was no perceptible flex during handling. 70 litres IS heavy for this aging geezer
He did have some of those in 45 gallon standard drum size (3 feet by 2 feet), superbly built (quarter inch wall), unfortunately I had no space to carry anymore, as I was looking for some for making the lakefront dock my wife has been asking me about (and other projects).
Tomorrow after I've finished my work, I'll take more pics and post them up in a separate thread, before it's kicked out of this one for being off-topic. Here is another picture of an individual tank. They are approximately 25 inches tall, 16 inches deep and 13 inches wide, with a slight barrel shape.
what you do it up to you.
i have carried fuel inside the vehicle before and have no guilt complex about it.
going across the border to save tax is a smart move, if more did it then the tax man would take notice.
but
you did not take your time into the equation. depending on what over time would pay you might be loosing money by crossing over every time you need to fill up.
me, i applaud you for giving it a try.
here the cost of diesel can vary from a couple cents to 10 cents a liter difference. on a tank of 80 L that is $8. if it happens to be on my way then i will save the money, it i have to make a special trip then my time is worth more than the $8.
i have carried fuel inside the vehicle before and have no guilt complex about it.
going across the border to save tax is a smart move, if more did it then the tax man would take notice.
but
you did not take your time into the equation. depending on what over time would pay you might be loosing money by crossing over every time you need to fill up.
me, i applaud you for giving it a try.
here the cost of diesel can vary from a couple cents to 10 cents a liter difference. on a tank of 80 L that is $8. if it happens to be on my way then i will save the money, it i have to make a special trip then my time is worth more than the $8.
I am going to see if any of the local used barrel suppliers have some of these. I could save some decent coin going across the border.
As for safety, it really is not a concern with diesel such as with gasoline. Although, so many people are doing it now, it is beginning to attract attention in the media and with municipal politicians (regarding gasoline): Aldergrove Star - Richter warns of gas danger.
As for safety, it really is not a concern with diesel such as with gasoline. Although, so many people are doing it now, it is beginning to attract attention in the media and with municipal politicians (regarding gasoline): Aldergrove Star - Richter warns of gas danger.
You forgot to add "and take punitive measures". Just correcting this to make it clear to the naive people out there who would have understood "and recognize this as a sign that citizens are fed being taxed to death and do something to reduce them". You know, just to make it clear no non Quebeckers (where else is the provincial sales tax increased when the federal sales tax is decreased).
Do you count your time when it comes to the people you love and the principles you hold dear? Of course not.
but (to paraphrase you
)It took me just one hour to drive to the barrel place, inspect the merchandise, purchase them and return to the fuel station.
Furthermore, even if it takes one extra half hour or fourty five minutes every month to drive to the cheapest gas station, I am still ahead comparing to having to stop at my regular gas station for less time but three times as often.
Sorry for having cut you off ;p
When I go to MTL, the Mohawk gas stations are just 10km away from where I usually stay. For it to be cost effective (the difference is 5 cents per litre cheaper than the next cheapest I tank to in the Laurentians), I need to be going with a practically empty tank, because driving 20km in the traffic costs me just a bit over $3.00, so my break even occurs only if I get more than 60 litres. The picture changes completely if I can take 280 (that's almost $15.00 saved for a cost of about $3).
But you are right, it's not much in dollars and cents as much as being a matter of principle. Just as I am with an independent ISP, even though it's a bit more expensive than with Bell, because I refuse to deal with a criminal organization that takes every opportunity to gouge me, thinking a buck here and there will pass under the radar, and that I won'r notice when the promised 7Mb/s is reduced to 2 'because my line is not clean' when in reality they oversold the capacity I have paid for to someone else without my knowledge. But that's another story fit for chat, check out OpenMedia.ca | Engage, Educate, Empower for more.
I guess it's just part of who I am. I also purchase my grocery in bulk when products are in season, and apart from perishables, I have found that I can usually ride the waves of increases most folks have to endure. Hey, I just got a case of 12 750ml of premium cold pressed olive oil in UV tinted glass for 2.99 each, when most stores sell theirs for 5, 6 or even 8 dollars. With that I can ride one bad season, fresh olive properly stored is good for 2 years.
As for fuel costs, of course there is the extra weight to carry, but what is an extra 210 kilos when the vehicle already weighs 2500, and when I can actually remove the containers once I'm at home, comparatively to an external tank in which you have to carry that extra load all the time until you use it.
Indeed - there could be an issue regarding the legality of transporting fuel in a non approved container. That is what concerns me.
As for going across the border, I don't want to be a party pooper, but IIRC, this is technically illegal (you are allowed to fill your tank, not jerry cans). Don't hesitate to correct me if I'm wrong and just another victim of popular misconception based on crafty politically motivated fear-mongering.
John, I finally read the article you posted and this is very motivating. I can't remember where I read that bringing fuel across the border is illegal. I'll be looking into it.
Yes, it is good to know it is legal to import cheaper diesel from the US (for those of us who live on the 49th). As for the transportation of it in Canada, each province could have different laws regarding this. In addition, often municipal by-laws will govern who much fuel can be stored on a residential or commercial zoned property.
I remember this came up in a veggie/bio forum once. Apparently, as long as it is veggie oil it is not fuel. But once it is bio-diesel or mixed with diesel, it could be considered fuel. But if you keep it low key, who is going to know? Gasoline is a whole other ball game. There are way too many garage/house fires caused by people storing gas inside and vapors escaping in an enclosed place. Likewise, I think transporting gasoline inside a van or car is just plain stupid.
BTW, diesel is still at 122.9/L at Superstore (less 5 cents/L store credits) but up to 125.9/L at many other stations.
I remember this came up in a veggie/bio forum once. Apparently, as long as it is veggie oil it is not fuel. But once it is bio-diesel or mixed with diesel, it could be considered fuel. But if you keep it low key, who is going to know?
Gasoline is a whole other ball game. There are way too many garage/house fires caused by people storing gas inside and vapors escaping in an enclosed place. Likewise, I think transporting gasoline inside a van or car is just plain stupid.BTW, diesel is still at 122.9/L at Superstore (less 5 cents/L store credits) but up to 125.9/L at many other stations.
Well there are good news on the legality of transporting diesel fuel at least for us in Québec: It is apparently permissible to transport diesel fuel in non regulation containers up to 450 litres in capacity, but only fuel of category UN1202 (diesel and heating oil). The transport of other fuels, however, requires the use of regulation containers.
Ther is one restriction: some tunnels and roadways do not allow the transport of any fuel outside of the vehicle's fuel tank, except for fuel "necessary to operate a piece of equipment" to a maximum capacity of... 75 litres So it would seem these fuel containers were a smart purchase 
Ther is one restriction: some tunnels and roadways do not allow the transport of any fuel outside of the vehicle's fuel tank, except for fuel "necessary to operate a piece of equipment" to a maximum capacity of... 75 litres
So it would seem these fuel containers were a smart purchase 
In So Cal we're seeing $4.29-4.59 per gallon gallon.