Great that the MoCo was involved period, as we say over in Harley owner land. Kudos to all involved that put in the work to get it there and the recognition it brings the platform. FJ Summit is a must for me next year, looks like a blast.
Lexus GXOR Concept
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I also fail to see the "concept". If anyone wants a vehicle built like this most all the parts can be purchased and a fab shop can build the bumper. The value will be to have it available at the dealer with a factory warranty. I think it's more of a product pitch.
I still don't see the GX as being as capable or having the aftermarket support like the TRD offroad 4runner. So anyone looking for a new toyota SUV to take on the trail would be best to choose the 4runner. Unless Lexus goes all the way and adds the rear locker to the GXOR!
I still don't see the GX as being as capable or having the aftermarket support like the TRD offroad 4runner. So anyone looking for a new toyota SUV to take on the trail would be best to choose the 4runner. Unless Lexus goes all the way and adds the rear locker to the GXOR!
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Said like a true 4Runner owner...don't be jealous of the V8 and plush leather/woodgrain interior. GX owners buy for the total package, not just off-road capability and it is nice Lexus finally publicly acknowledged said capability.
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GreenbowCounty
James
Haha haha!!!!!!
The “concept” isn’t really the parts. Like BMR said, the true “concept” is really the acknowledgement.
But, yes, probably just sales PR for an older platform that the company knows needs an update but it’s too close to being replaced. They won’t even spend to put Apple CarPlay in it.
But, yes, probably just sales PR for an older platform that the company knows needs an update but it’s too close to being replaced. They won’t even spend to put Apple CarPlay in it.
Believe me I'm not jealous. I own an 86 4runner crawler, a 2014 4runner trail, and a 2013 200 series. They all have their purpose. And I think the GX is a great vehicle and package, but not a trail vehicle. Sadly, I think most people that take their GX's off road bought them used because they had taken so much deprecation they were a deal compared to the high resale value of the 4runner. I didn't buy the 4runner because of the price. I bought it because it was the right vehicle for me. I've considered a GX but it doesn't fit my uses. I don't need a V8/leather/woodgrain in a midsize SUV that doesn't have the aftermarket support of the 4runner.
Still wondering why the promo video has one person traveling overland in a 5 passenger vehicle with a trailer and 2 kitchens. The combo would likely cost near $120k. For that price there are much more capable and simpler options for one person. Must be a GXOR thing?
Hey now, we all know this is the GX Fap Zone so there's no need to throw insults around with the other 150-series guys haha. The 4Runner (Trail/TRD OR/Pro) is a better out of the box off-road platform than the GX, only a fool would argue otherwise. The mass majority of GX's out there are the base models that were lease turn-in's (these things are leased by middle-upper class soccer mom's on the daily) and they lack the crawl control systems and all of them lack a rear locker.
The GX has more luxury, it has more power, and arguably a better transmission, but with the added weight of the platform it's nearly a wash in performance when compared. Most hate the rear door and the third row stow design eats up a ton of cargo space. And don't get me started on how dated and out of touch the interior is on these things, yes, it is worse than the 5th Gen 4Runner.
That said, if you will only occasionally go off-road, or if you need that extra power for towing, or the third row, or if you have a delicate bottom that appreciates more supple leather, or if you simply want to be different from the masses (that's fading quickly with the recent spike in popularity with the GX460 and the overland crowd) then the GX is fantastic choice as long as you buy used. The aftermarket is growing and you are starting to see more of them built and out on the trails.
I have owned a GX460, two FJC's, and now three 5th Gen 4Runners and currently a 2019 200-series (along with other LC's in the past) so it's fair to say that I have valid experience and a good personal comparison amongst the group. With all of that combined I can honestly say that I wouldn't buy another GX because of my few dislikes with them and that's ok. Honestly, I probably wouldn't buy another Toyota other than a 2016+ 200-series from here on. This concept is cool but it is nothing more than a publicity push for the brand and a well aged platform that is likely on the way out or set for a major overhaul. If you want something similar just simply build it yourself, I don't see Lexus/Toyota bringing anything even remotely similar to market.
If nothing else hopefully the GXOR "concept" motivates and encourages aftermarket fab companies to make GX parts. I think it's a good collaboration between Lexus and already available parts that can be purchased on shelves today. So I wouldn't call it a "concept" necessarily because you can actually build it now and I've seen way more built up rides on here. While it's nice that Lexus has acknowledged the GX platform as a great off-road vehicle I doubt that it goes any further than this for Lexus. The Off-Road Package for the 2020 GX is probably as far as they'll go in catering oem parts for off-road use in the Lexus line.
At the end of the day Toyota is still the parent company. We know how conservative they are and they aren't ones to cater to the enthusiast crowd without extremely careful measure. Look at the 4Runner for example. They sell nearly 5x as much 4Runners as they do GX460's and about as far as they'll go in the enthusiast market is a half-baked TRD Pro. All you have to do is follow the money. There isn't any monetary incentive/gain for Lexus to invest in a "TRD Pro" off-road oriented trim in the GX platform. Most people now jumping in the GX market are looking at used ones as a very minuscule percentage of NEW GX buyers purchase it with the intent to off-road and mod it. Much easier to buy an off-lease CPO GX460 for $35-40k and mod the crap out of it than to start chopping away at a $50-65k vehicle. And that won't make Lexus any money. Nice concept but I think they'll just leave the OEM off-road division to Toyota and the aftermarket fab shops can carry the Lexus line. Really the beauty of it is that they share similar platforms for now and many of the parts can be interchanged between Toyota and Lexus.
At the end of the day Toyota is still the parent company. We know how conservative they are and they aren't ones to cater to the enthusiast crowd without extremely careful measure. Look at the 4Runner for example. They sell nearly 5x as much 4Runners as they do GX460's and about as far as they'll go in the enthusiast market is a half-baked TRD Pro. All you have to do is follow the money. There isn't any monetary incentive/gain for Lexus to invest in a "TRD Pro" off-road oriented trim in the GX platform. Most people now jumping in the GX market are looking at used ones as a very minuscule percentage of NEW GX buyers purchase it with the intent to off-road and mod it. Much easier to buy an off-lease CPO GX460 for $35-40k and mod the crap out of it than to start chopping away at a $50-65k vehicle. And that won't make Lexus any money. Nice concept but I think they'll just leave the OEM off-road division to Toyota and the aftermarket fab shops can carry the Lexus line. Really the beauty of it is that they share similar platforms for now and many of the parts can be interchanged between Toyota and Lexus.
This GX “concept” has everyone riled up. Good and bad. That’s all Lexus wanted to do was to get attention that lead to more sales. The people who benefit from this concept are existing GX owners who will most likely get better aftermarket support, Lexus USA and future GX sellers will see the market price for them has gone up. The losers are those who are looking to get into a used GX will pay the likely price hike in the market.
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LOL, all in good fun and yes I agree the T4R packages listed are obviously superior off-road w/ the locker, CC and MTS. Luckily the MTS and CC can easily be added to the GX, albeit at a cost.
I actually sold a 2015 vehicle in order to get the GX with a much more technology-forward interior and actually prefer the simplicity of the GX. Different strokes for different folks.
Just curious why you say to buy used? New 2019s can be had for close to 20% off sticker now that the 2020s are coming out w/ the slight re-design. When I bought my 2019, prices of used ones were holding their value really well and a new one was not that much more in the grand scheme of things. Super low financing rates as well where I could dump the finance check in a high yield account and earn back some cash to close the price gap.
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Agree 100% with what you said....
New they start at $55K sticker and that's a base model, they can easily get into the $70's loaded out. Here in Texas they are a dime a dozen, but I don't see many dealers selling the base models for 20% off, high $40's at times, but not $45K new, there's no need to sell that low when they move on their own. Most sell lightly used for $38-40K at three-ish years old so that's a pretty good savings over new. The majority of the used ones out there are lease turn-ins due to the fact that you can usually lease one for around $500 a month, sometimes for even less.
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Back in Feb, I got my 2019 Premium for $49k before TTL out of a high-volume dealer in NC. I would imagine there are better deals out there now that the re-design was released. At the time, they had 100+ GXs on the lot. The lease turn-ins I were looking at were still in the low to mid-40s, so for roughly $6-8k more I got 0 miles and the exact build/color I wanted. Correct, not an insignificant amount and I probably could have negotiated lower on the used ones, but I'm happy with my choice.
Grabbed my 2015 with 50k on the clock for 30k out the door. I was originally focused on grabbing a T4R but quite honestly was not interested in paying 30k for cloth interior, and a truly pathetic sound system among other things. There is no doubt that the T4R is better out of the box as it relates to after market support but I liked the idea of the a more unique rig and felt I was getting much more bang for my buck with the GX. To each his own I suppose.
And this is precisely why the GX platform is growing in popularity and rightfully so. The GX has more luxury and comfort and provides 90% of the off-road capability and 100% of the reliability of a 4Runner off the lot. Lightly used they are in the same wheel house as a new 4Runner in regards to price and value as well. I get it, the argument is valid and they are certainly worthy of the recent spike in interest when you break it all down. I just think it's odd that it took the better part of a decade before the trend caught on. I had a 2011 with the ex and it was a great vehicle, my biggest gripe was always the rear door and I had the same issue with both of my FJC's as well.
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I have to agree, the GX is a diamond in the rough (which may sound a little odd since it's sooo refined!) in the off-road community and of which they are slowly discovering.
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I've been in the off-road community for a long time and never found luxury needed for off-roading. I grew up in the mountains just like most of the people that have been active in keeping the off-road community alive. Remember its the big cities full of luxury that control the votes and put people in power that shut down off-road areas. Not the off-road people whom are "slowly discovering" the "sooo refined" GX. The way I see it the GX is slowly discovering the off-road community. I hope the GX owners are ready for a challenge and not just following a luxury SUV trend.
You guys act like the GX is the best thing out there and it's changing the industry! It's only a small part of a huge industry and the GX may fade away in time because of small production levels, limited aftermarket support and costly repairs.
Here's some off-road vehicle advise. I avoid overly complicated systems I can't override or replace when they break. Prime example is the GX air suspension is unreliable and when it breaks you have no springs. The reliable fix is to swap out for 4runner/FJC parts. Before I bought my 5th Gen 4runner Trail I looked over every critical system to see if it could be used 30 years from now by overriding, replacing or removing. KDSS problems? Override or remove it. Traction control problems? Disable it and go without it. Rear locker problems? Wire in a direct switch. 4x4/low range selector switch problems? Trick question, Trail and TRD's have a mechanical lever unlike the GX. The point is the 4runner at it's roots is a basic 4x4 and all the electronics can be removed short of the engine/trans. I think the 4runner will stand the test of time if you are willing to let some systems go. Over time like any luxury vehicle the GX will suffer more costly repairs and have systems that can't easily be replaced. Thus making it less reliable then a 4runner. Another example is the GX climate control system is tied into the Nav/radio. You can't just put an aftermarket radio in when it breaks you have to repair it with OEM parts. Think about all the electronic sensors, solenoids and actuators that can go bad. In the Long term and off-road simpler is better. How many old jeeps, broncos, blazers, and toyota's do you still see on the trail? When the GX is 30+ years old do you think it will still be wheelin?
