LC200 vs. LX570: HP, Torque, and Required Octane Ratings

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Assuming any particular vehicle can get additional power out of higher octane fuel the benefits will not show them selves immediately. Vehicles do not have any direct way to analyze the octane rating of the fuel. The ECU will adjust timing over time until the pre-nock sensor detects pre-detonation at which time it will back off some and begin the process again. So if you have been running 87 octane and then change to a higher octane it may take a few tanks of gas for your vehicle to adjust. This is assuming that the vehicle is capable of getting any benefit from higher octane fuel which is influenced by engine design, temperature, air density and probably other factors. Additionally, altitude (air density) has an impact on timing which is why mountain states (free states) in the US typically offer lower octant fuels (85 octane).

When we were in the Black Hills of SD and throughout MT and WY (up into Yellowstone and Grand Teton) last month I ran either 87 or 91, depending on what the lowest octane at/above 87 was available, even though 85 was available. I'll second Markuson's comment that I didn't notice any difference in fuel economy, power, etc. In fact, I still got better mileage in IL/WI on 87 near sea level than I got on 87 at ~5000', even on flat roads. Obviously this is all anecdotal - the scientific way to test would be to run the same roads under the same conditions (temperature, wind, etc) numerous times but I'm unlikely to make that trip more than once per year :-)

Going back to the original OP, my financial self says run 87 in an LC as there's little if any difference in performance but a significant difference in cost. In an LX you can decide what to run - if you run 87 the vehicle will adjust the timing so you'll lose a little power, but given the available HP and torque the LC and LX have you probably won't care for most normal driving. The only way low octane will cause an issue if if it's so low that the ECU can't retard the timing sufficiently. You won't see that on 87 but maybe you'd see it if you filled up with 85 in the mountains and then drove at sea level on that tank (or maybe you'd need to run an even lower octane). More importantly than octane, try to buy top tier gas when its available.
 
Im all about pure gas, no matter the octane. Pure gas gives the best gas mileage and range. Save trips to the gas station. "E0" if you want to call it that.
 
Im all about pure gas, no matter the octane. Pure gas gives the best gas

I'ma savin this quote next time I fart in the living room and wifey complains... :hillbilly:
 
Im all about pure gas, no matter the octane. Pure gas gives the best gas mileage and range. Save trips to the gas station. "E0" if you want to call it that.
Unfortunately around me everything is E10.

I was actually surprised to see 85 octane E0 cost more than 87 octane E10 when we were in SD/WY.
 
Unfortunately around me everything is E10.

I was actually surprised to see 85 octane E0 cost more than 87 octane E10 when we were in SD/WY.

When I drove through Iowa a month ago, REGULAR was $2.49 87 octane (no ethanol)...and SUPER was $1.99, 91 octane, but ethanol.

So... Huge price jump just to avoid ethanol...with a complete reversal of traditional pricing of super vs. reg. Weird...
 
When I drove through Iowa a month ago, REGULAR was $2.49 87 octane (no ethanol)...and SUPER was $1.99, 91 octane, but ethanol.

So... Huge price jump just to avoid ethanol...with a complete reversal of traditional pricing of super vs. reg. Weird...
Corn-belt pricing. IIRC it was the same when we stopped for gas at Ozzie's Guns and Tackle (and gas) in Nebraska.
 
Corn-belt pricing. IIRC it was the same when we stopped for gas at Ozzie's Guns and Tackle (and gas) in Nebraska.

Now that you mention it...I think it might have been Nebraska...not Iowa. I was driving to/from Oshkosh Wisconsin, and couldn't remember which. But ya... Makes sense on the "corn belt..." :)
 
Ive never seen pure gas cheaper than E10, no matter the octane. Pure gas is always more here in the southeastern states too.
 
I agree on all points raised in the article, but still would like to hear about the detergents and/or other additives used in the premium vs lower grade fuels among top tier brands. As I've said before, that's my reason for using premium so long as prices are reasonable.
 
I agree on all points raised in the article, but still would like to hear about the detergents and/or other additives used in the premium vs lower grade fuels among top tier brands. As I've said before, that's my reason for using premium so long as prices are reasonable.

The article mentioned the danger from build-up came from off-brand gas more than whether it was premium or not. But ya... More detail would be nice, but the article did give the most direct explanation I've seen--basically that octane has primarily to do with pressure levels in various engines, and if those pressure are not required, then no benefit to higher octane.
 
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