Land Cruiser vs Cyber Truck
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It takes $100 to "place an order" for a vehicle that is at a minimum 3 years out, more realistically (based on past performance) 4-5 years out. Virtue signaling is cheap and easy. Following the Tesla model they will build the expensive models first and if they ever get around to the cheaper models they will cost more than the now promised base price.
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I knew the shape looked familiar. Lancia Stratos Zero from the 1970s
It's clear to everyone here where you stand. The cybertruck isn't for you. Tesla could care less about your opinion or trying to appeal to your type. a.k.a. non-buyer. Because their goal is not to make a universally appealing product. It doesn't have to be, to be successful.
The least you could do is have meaningful conversation. Yet all you can do is troll. You're so busy being a naysayer, that you can't even comprehend well documented information on the interwebs. Nevermind that Tesla is delivering the Model Y months ahead of schedule. I don't expect this post to do anything and you'll continue to try to educate us how the $35k Model 3 doesn't exist.
I'm firmly in the Land Cruiser camp for the near future. As much as I'm beginning to like the 500+ mile variant cybertruck, towing a travel would impact range too greatly. Just as it has knocked my LX cruising range about 30%, leaving ~210miles range, and requiring addition of a subtank. Tests of the Model X towing shows it also impacts towing 30-40%, leaving about 300-350 miles range for a 500 mile EV.
Unladen, 500+ miles range would be more interesting. 500 is generally more than most people will drive in a single day. Making that doable as an adventure truck to some extent, given the existing infrastructure between EV charging stations and RV parks. Charging at 50 amp RV sites which exist in many even remote places is being done. Charging at approximately 25 miles per hour. A solid 12 hour night could restore 300 miles by morning. Or almost a full day, 20hrs, for 500 miles.
The design is bold. If anything, Tesla is stirring the pot getting all the truck forums in an uproar. Lovers, haters, and everyone in between is now talking about electric trucks.
The market has been in gridlock for too long and needs revolution. 15 years ago, there was a smart phone revolution and all of the major players that dominated the market are all gone. I am interested to see what the future holds for vehicles.
The market has been in gridlock for too long and needs revolution. 15 years ago, there was a smart phone revolution and all of the major players that dominated the market are all gone. I am interested to see what the future holds for vehicles.
So when somebody calls you out on fanboisim then it's trolling, got it.
How, exactly is Tesla delivering the Model Y "months ahead of schedule" if the model isn't even available yet? Model Y deliveries are "expected" to start in the Summer of 2020, unless you have a time machine we'll have to wait to see how early they are delivered.
Fanbois gotta fanboi..........
I'm whatever you'd like to call me. I think you forget this is a land cruiser vs cybertruck thread. That I'm offering information relevant to the thread, makes me? You are trolling with colorful commentary and distorted information.
Wow, you can read. But comprehension? The original production plan for the Model Y when it was launched, was late 2020. Guidance has pulled it earlier to summer 2020. This doesn't say whether the cybertruck will deliver on-time, but it is an indicator that their delivery targets are firming up.
Yes, historically Musk has set unrealistic dates that get missed. In the grander picture, he is still delivering leading edge technology well before the competitive set. It's hard to understand the bigger picture when one can't digest the smaller bits? This is within the norm for many projects that have huge logistics. Ask Porsche, an 88 year old company, why their Taycan is slipping 3 months. (So you don't have to read between the lines, I'm also a Porsche fanboi).
BTW, another buddy put in his order. These guys all must be ignorant fools, fanbois by your measure.
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Give credit where credit is due.
200k deposits regardless of price or date of release is impressive and no small feat.
When was the last time a Toyota or Lexus product had 200k deposits for a vehicle?
When was the last time Toyota/Lexus started promising vehicles 3 years out? When did Toyota/Lexus start taking $100 deposits on vehicles that don't exist? Toyota actually makes money so they don't need 200K fanbois to pony up a $20 million interest free loan.
Toyota sold 2.1 million vehicles in the US in 2018, Tesla sold 191K. I don't think Toyota is worried.
Perhaps you guys are in the wrong forum.
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Toyota speeds up electric vehicle schedule as demand heats up
Toyota is accelerating its BEV production plans. Sounds like Toyota wants a piece of the EV market; while I don't know if this means Toyota is "worried" it would suggest that Tesla is on to something and Toyota doesn't want to miss out.
I am a 200 fan and own a 200, yet can keep an open mind to discussing the 200's and its rivals pros and cons.
Perhaps you are in the wrong forum.
Except no is discussing 200 pros and cons. I still don't understand how you compare a 200 against a vehicle that does not exist.
"Toyota is, however, not changing its long-held belief that hydrogen FCVs will be the ultimate zero-emissions vehicles in the future, Terashi said. “We haven’t changed our policy towards battery EVs,” Terashi said. “We are not shifting our focus to prioritize battery EVs, nor are we abandoning our FCV strategy.”
The demand must be in other market cause Toyota/Lexus doesn't have a single BEV for sale in the US.
I think I am in the right forum.
"Toyota is, however, not changing its long-held belief that hydrogen FCVs will be the ultimate zero-emissions vehicles in the future, Terashi said. “We haven’t changed our policy towards battery EVs,” Terashi said. “We are not shifting our focus to prioritize battery EVs, nor are we abandoning our FCV strategy.”
The demand must be in other market cause Toyota/Lexus doesn't have a single BEV for sale in the US.
I think I am in the right forum.
I've read this entire thread... and man, do we have some passionate people on this forum!
As far as Land Cruiser vs Cyber Truck comparison, bottom line is this: Any analysis at this point is pure speculation. All of it.
Cyber Truck may end up being the greatest truck/off-road/overland vehicle of all time. Or it could be a complete bust...a complete POS. No one has any idea if this thing is gonna work in real-world applications. Will it likely meet its performance goals on a paved road with zero payload? Sure. Probably. But off-road and under the stresses of climate, terrain and payload? Doubt it. Just too many variables. Does it have potential? Absolutely. But its gonna take a helluva lot more than what Elon and his mates have shown so far to prove it. By the way, who throws a ball--any ball--like that?
Something else. We've got guys on this forum with 2,500lbs+ of flesh, armor, water, gas and gear loaded into their rigs. Then they take their rigs and everything in them virtually ANYWHERE... and do so for extended periods of time. Unless you pack a whole bunch of Goal Zero solar kits with you, you're gonna run into trouble bruh.
I purchased my LC because two factors: 1) No other vehicle can match the LCs overall capabilities. 2) The LC is a 25-year vehicle.
Its gonna be a long, long time before we have enough data to make any real comparisons between these two vehicles.
For now....put me in the "there is NO comparison" camp.
As far as Land Cruiser vs Cyber Truck comparison, bottom line is this: Any analysis at this point is pure speculation. All of it.
Cyber Truck may end up being the greatest truck/off-road/overland vehicle of all time. Or it could be a complete bust...a complete POS. No one has any idea if this thing is gonna work in real-world applications. Will it likely meet its performance goals on a paved road with zero payload? Sure. Probably. But off-road and under the stresses of climate, terrain and payload? Doubt it. Just too many variables. Does it have potential? Absolutely. But its gonna take a helluva lot more than what Elon and his mates have shown so far to prove it. By the way, who throws a ball--any ball--like that?
Something else. We've got guys on this forum with 2,500lbs+ of flesh, armor, water, gas and gear loaded into their rigs. Then they take their rigs and everything in them virtually ANYWHERE... and do so for extended periods of time. Unless you pack a whole bunch of Goal Zero solar kits with you, you're gonna run into trouble bruh.
I purchased my LC because two factors: 1) No other vehicle can match the LCs overall capabilities. 2) The LC is a 25-year vehicle.
Its gonna be a long, long time before we have enough data to make any real comparisons between these two vehicles.
For now....put me in the "there is NO comparison" camp.
How many $100 deposits would toyota get if they announced an all-electric Tacoma?
Which of these 2 would you take though?!
When comparing the LC to the cyber truck in 2019, there are few definitive truths:
LC wins in existence and availability.
LC wins in rear seat head room.
LC wins in ease of finding fueling/charge stations
LC has a better name.
LC wins in existence and availability.
LC wins in rear seat head room.
LC wins in ease of finding fueling/charge stations
LC has a better name.
I think the year was 1993, I was a 20 yo student at an army tech university, and I saw a picture of a 6M1 colored 80-series in some rocky desert. I immediately fell in love with it, and have owned one 6M1 since 1998. I will keep it til I die, and I hope one of my daughters will keep it running after I have turned ash. So when boys in the 20's fall in love with the Cybrtrck, it tells me that change is coming also in the land of the F150. I live in Norway, we see tons of Teslas everyday, so change is already here. I can see myself trade the family VDJ200 for a 8 seater CybrSuv in five years. A CybrSuv with an Eberspächer air heater 
Nonetheless, batteries are an interim solution. Batteries are way too dirty to produce, no one has a good/cost effective solution for recycling them except stuffing them under bed for storing less expensive electricity. There is a limit to how many used Leaf and Tesla-batteries we can stuff. The future is in hydrogen. But the willingness to develop the infrastructure is not there yet, even if several car manufactureres have had well functioning models for years. But I guess Tesla will manage the transistion to hydrogen well.
Ohh, by the way, try to throw a heavy bearing ball yourself at that angle, and see how elegant you look. And SS steel is not Armox. But with those angles Cybrtrck can more easily be produced in armox and receive Stanag or similar certification, earning the right to be called "bulletproof". But nothing created by man is bulletproof. You can easily destroy any protection glass of today of a protected vehicle with a rock. It all depends on the protection level vs the kinetic energy and the mechanical abilities of the projectile.
I think I got a crush on the Cybrtrck but need at least seven seats. Now, where can I preorder a Cybrsuv....?
Nonetheless, batteries are an interim solution. Batteries are way too dirty to produce, no one has a good/cost effective solution for recycling them except stuffing them under bed for storing less expensive electricity. There is a limit to how many used Leaf and Tesla-batteries we can stuff. The future is in hydrogen. But the willingness to develop the infrastructure is not there yet, even if several car manufactureres have had well functioning models for years. But I guess Tesla will manage the transistion to hydrogen well. Ohh, by the way, try to throw a heavy bearing ball yourself at that angle, and see how elegant you look. And SS steel is not Armox. But with those angles Cybrtrck can more easily be produced in armox and receive Stanag or similar certification, earning the right to be called "bulletproof". But nothing created by man is bulletproof. You can easily destroy any protection glass of today of a protected vehicle with a rock. It all depends on the protection level vs the kinetic energy and the mechanical abilities of the projectile.
I think I got a crush on the Cybrtrck but need at least seven seats. Now, where can I preorder a Cybrsuv....?
In the latest internet tug of war drama:
1) At Cybertruck launch, Tesla poked fun at Dearborn showing a video of the cybertruck winning a tow truck battle against a Ford F150, uphill.
2) Internet sleuths concluded it wasn't a fair battle as the F150 was a lower spec 2WD model, likely with a 2.7L EB motor.
3) Sundeep Madra, VP of Ford X, perhaps taking the bait tweeted
Sundeep may have put his foot too deep in his mouth with that one. Tesla has nothing to lose as evidenced by the ball/glass shenanigans. Or has Ford learned from Porsche's recent run in?
Toyota sitting on sidelines should bring in old man strength with the cruiser. It might even have a chance with its bruiser weight.
1) At Cybertruck launch, Tesla poked fun at Dearborn showing a video of the cybertruck winning a tow truck battle against a Ford F150, uphill.
2) Internet sleuths concluded it wasn't a fair battle as the F150 was a lower spec 2WD model, likely with a 2.7L EB motor.
3) Sundeep Madra, VP of Ford X, perhaps taking the bait tweeted
4) Musk tweeted
5) Ford's spokesperson backpedaling
6) Musk
Sundeep may have put his foot too deep in his mouth with that one. Tesla has nothing to lose as evidenced by the ball/glass shenanigans. Or has Ford learned from Porsche's recent run in?
Toyota sitting on sidelines should bring in old man strength with the cruiser. It might even have a chance with its bruiser weight.
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I think the year was 1993, I was a 20 yo student at an army tech university, and I saw a picture of a 6M1 colored 80-series in some rocky desert. I immediately fell in love with it, and have owned one 6M1 since 1998. I will keep it til I die, and I hope one of my daughters will keep it running after I have turned ash. So when boys in the 20's fall in love with the Cybrtrck, it tells me that change is coming also in the land of the F150. I live in Norway, we see tons of Teslas everyday, so change is already here. I can see myself trade the family VDJ200 for a 8 seater CybrSuv in five years. A CybrSuv with an Eberspächer air heater
Ohh, by the way, try to throw a heavy bearing ball yourself at that angle, and see how elegant you look. And SS steel is not Armox. But with those angles Cybrtrck can more easily be produced in armox and receive Stanag or similar certification, earning the right to be called "bulletproof". But nothing created by man is bulletproof. You can easily destroy any protection glass of today of a protected vehicle with a rock. It all depends on the protection level vs the kinetic energy and the mechanical abilities of the projectile.
I think I got a crush on the Cybrtrck but need at least seven seats. Now, where can I preorder a Cybrsuv....?
"I live in Norway, we see tons of Teslas everyday, so change is already here. "
Because the government punished consumers for not buying electric, not because they are awesome or "change is coming"
"Battery-powered cars in the world's fourth richest country are not just exempt from high rates of purchase tax, and VAT, but pay no road and ferry tolls or parking fees, cost less to insure and can be charged up for free electricity from thousands of points. Local government will also subsidize the installation of charging points in homes. Research suggests the subsidies could be worth nearly £5,000 a year per car.
You can buy a Nissan leaf for 280,000 NOK (£26,500) which compares with 300,000 (£29,400) for a VW Golf. Over 10,000 km, it costs about 1,800 Nok (£176) to run, but the same for a petrol car would be 8,000 Nok (£784). On top of that I save save 35Nok (£3.20) a day on tolls but some people are saving far more," says Snorre Sletvold, president of the Norwegian electric vehicle association."
Norway has fallen in love with electric cars – but the affair is coming to an end
Free parking, incentives and driving in bus lanes push Tesla Model S and Nissan Leaf to top of best-seller lists
Ford sold 900K F series in 2018 and 896K in 2017. Everyone keeps acting like this thing a direct competitor to US Pickup trucks, it's not.
Electric cars only sell when governments offer rebates, tax credits, subsidies and all kinds of incentives the rest of us pay for. Consumers stay away because they are expensive. Manufactures stay away because they are a money loser.
When I was 20 I fell in love with the Countach. I drive an LX. I was also still in love with Farrah Fawcett but that didn't work out either..........
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From the video's caption, they were only using 115 grain fmj rounds. I'm sure heavier or better rounds would get through. Still, it was an impressive carnival trick that shows the harder surface of the stainless steel. Nothing more.
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