Land Cruiser vs Cyber Truck

[TheBlackSheep]

The other thing I didn't care for and this not Tesla specific is the control manufacturers have over the vehicle. The more wired n online they are the less you actually own it. I suspect the future is a subscription model like software has adopted. Don't pay, well you now "own' a brick with 4 wheels.

YES! This is why I have a love/hate relationship with my Mini Cooper. As long as it works, it's wonderful. However I actually enjoy driving a lot, so when the computer system second guesses my driving decisions, it really rankles. When something goes wrong, it's always both arms and both legs, maybe a first born son, to get it repaired. The nearest Mini dealer is over an hour away from where I live in small town USA. I can't take it up to an Autozone or O'Reilly and get the computer read if a code flashes, it has to be done with Mini specific equipment. MY THERMOSTAT IS ELECTRIC FOR CRIPESAKES. What was wrong with a mechanical (i.e. midly more afordable) one? It went out to the tune of $250. The Husband, bless his very tolerant, talented, and saintly heart, replaced it himself, saving that theoretical dollar, but spending his own time (He doesn't yet trust me to work on the Mini >_<. I'm still learning, haha). It's all so Mini can continue to reap the financial rewards of a car that is already bought and paid for. Their service department is a joke as well... Maybe that's just an automobile thing in general?

I could rant of the technologizing (is that a word?) of vehicles all day, but what I really wanted to share was this: Tesla Cybertruck Has Functionality Problems I thought it was an interesting read and pointed out some things I didn't think of. Long story short, the design HAS to change because some things are just downright illegal (author points out placement of the tail lights, major blind spots). The Husband also mentioned the sliding tailgate/rampy dooly-bob (more technical terms) and the sliding cover would be high maintenance. He speculated that getting dust, dirt, and whatnot all up in the workings would wear them out pretty quickly.

I am curious if most buyers are urban or rural? Probably a dumb question, I come from the point of view as a rural dweller and just can't see a practical application for this for myself. The big draw for me would be saving on petrol for vacations, but with 500 miles of range, would we be struggling to find hookups when needed between Indiana and Colorado or Canada or Mexico wherever else we wander? How long would it take to charge to continue on our way? How much cleaner is electric vs petrol when you look at the power plant process? Again. I love following EV progress and I'm all for cleaner, better, faster, more powerful, but I'm not yet convinced it's ready to replace combustion for everyone.

 

[coleAK]

YES! This is why I have a love/hate relationship with my Mini Cooper. As long as it works, it's wonderful. However I actually enjoy driving a lot, so when the computer system second guesses my driving decisions, it really rankles. When something goes wrong, it's always both arms and both legs, maybe a first born son, to get it repaired. The nearest Mini dealer is over an hour away from where I live in small town USA. I can't take it up to an Autozone or O'Reilly and get the computer read if a code flashes, it has to be done with Mini specific equipment. MY THERMOSTAT IS ELECTRIC FOR CRIPESAKES. What was wrong with a mechanical (i.e. midly more afordable) one? It went out to the tune of $250. The Husband, bless his very tolerant, talented, and saintly heart, replaced it himself, saving that theoretical dollar, but spending his own time (He doesn't yet trust me to work on the Mini >_<. I'm still learning, haha). It's all so Mini can continue to reap the financial rewards of a car that is already bought and paid for. Their service department is a joke as well... Maybe that's just an automobile thing in general?

I could rant of the technologizing (is that a word?) of vehicles all day, but what I really wanted to share was this: Tesla Cybertruck Has Functionality Problems I thought it was an interesting read and pointed out some things I didn't think of. Long story short, the design HAS to change because some things are just downright illegal (author points out placement of the tail lights, major blind spots). The Husband also mentioned the sliding tailgate/rampy dooly-bob (more technical terms) and the sliding cover would be high maintenance. He speculated that getting dust, dirt, and whatnot all up in the workings would wear them out pretty quickly.

I am curious if most buyers are urban or rural? Probably a dumb question, I come from the point of view as a rural dweller and just can't see a practical application for this for myself. The big draw for me would be saving on petrol for vacations, but with 500 miles of range, would we be struggling to find hookups when needed between Indiana and Colorado or Canada or Mexico wherever else we wander? How long would it take to charge to continue on our way? How much cleaner is electric vs petrol when you look at the power plant process? Again. I love following EV progress and I'm all for cleaner, better, faster, more powerful, but I'm not yet convinced it's ready to replace combustion for everyone.

First the truck is at this stage still a prototype and 3+ years out from production and delivery. My brother was at the intro event and took a ride in the one truck in existence, he said it was easier to see the blind spots than in his ridge line. Also said there are really awesome 360 cameras to cover the blind spots and rear view. Said the bed cover seems pretty bomb proof, basically a stainless steel garage door and can be just left stowed down. Said much of the truck did seem rough since it is still a prototype, but the double decker camp bed/drawers/kitchen was awesome.

As for charging there are superchargers all over the Lower 48 on the highways and many 3rd party free chargers at hotels, restaurants, shopping,... and in 3 years there will be a lot more. So for highway/road trips there should be no concern with a 250-500 mile range EV. The only valid concern at this point for charging access in US/Canada is remote off road over landing and most of northern Canada and Alaska. However I met a guy that drove his model S up the Haul road to dead horse, AK and back. It took a while but he did it and was able to find places to charge on the most remote road in N America.

 

[RET2]

3rd party free chargers? Hate to break it to you but nothing is free. Probably look no further that an add-on charge at those establishments much like the Resort Fees in Vegas, not to mention even the ICE drivers will be paying for the electron fan bois fuel.

 

[coleAK]

3rd party free chargers? Hate to break it to you but nothing is free. Probably look no further that an add-on charge at those establishments much like the Resort Fees in Vegas, not to mention even the ICE drivers will be paying for the electron fan bois fuel.

Ok fine, Well free to me. But really it’s pennies to the business, on 240/40 it costs Target <$1 for my wife to get 50 mile charge while she spends ~$100. Our Target, mall, and a few coffee shops and restaurants and most of the resorts in state have free hookups. Based on 0.12 kWh a 50% charge (>160 miles) on even the longest range EV would be ~$6

It’s pretty smart for the business, charge your car and spend $$$. Consumer chooses target over Walmart or this restaurant over that one. When we went to Hawaii last time “free” charging was everywhere.

 

[Angelo1]

I’m down with EV but what do they do with all the lithium batteries once used? Also, how much damage is done where lithium is produced? Ok, I actually know the answer but EV is not the answer. In fact it’s freaking toxic and push for EVs is scary. Another Multi billion dollar public brainwash. All these environmentalists are pushing a green revolution(money) to you because on the surface it seems clean. Do your own research and see how much you’re screwing the earth even further and at a faster rate. The spiralling environmental cost of our lithium battery addiction

Will Your Electric Car Save the World or Wreck It?

Extracting the materials for lithium batteries is often overlooked when counting up the environmental cost of BEV manufacturing.

www.google.com

 

[Angelo1]

For those who really want to “save the planet” The best thing you can do to help the environment is not have any pets, only have two kids, drive less, buy a 4cyl car at most, eat under 1500cal. Per day. This would be a solid start. Oh, turn your car off while in the carpool line until cars start picking kids up. Even better, go after China, South Korea and India for seriously polluting the world. America is pristine in comparison

I would love to own a electric suv but not at the sacrifice of further destroying the earth. We humans have bigger fish to fry and they are the countries truly damaging the earth. We also have a big part to play by buying crap that we just throw away a year later because it falls apart or only satisfied our desire for a minute and lost its luster. We must control our spending hunger that just ends up in the trash

 

[coleAK]

I think there are many reasons to drive an EV besides the environmental ones. Drive one and you’ll see: fast, responsive, mechanically simple, extremely low CoG, ... For us the environmental is a bonus and yes everything is a trade off. Cobalt is much more an environmental culprit then Li and the Tesla batteries are down to <3% cobalt. The myth about massive amounts of water to obtain Li has been disputed. Here is an article (how is your German)

https://m.tagesspiegel.de/wirtschaf...g3g&utm_referrer=[URL]https://m.facebook.com/

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basically one 85kw Tesla battery pollution roughly comparable to the production of 250 grams of beef, 30 cups of coffee, or half a pair of jeans. Also consider the current batteries are rated 300-500k miles and million mile batteries aren’t that far off.

And yes large dogs have one of the largest carbon footprints out there. Always makes me laugh when I see a crunchy granola in a 20+ year old Subaru/Tacoma covered in “Bernie” and Sierra club, save the whales stickers rusted out and smoking with 3-4 large dogs.

 

[bloc]

Isn’t toyota working on hydrogen fuel cells still?

 

[Reckless]

First the truck is at this stage still a prototype and 3+ years out from production and delivery. My brother was at the intro event and took a ride in the one truck in existence, he said it was easier to see the blind spots than in his ridge line. Also said there are really awesome 360 cameras to cover the blind spots and rear view. Said the bed cover seems pretty bomb proof, basically a stainless steel garage door and can be just left stowed down. Said much of the truck did seem rough since it is still a prototype, but the double decker camp bed/drawers/kitchen was awesome.

As for charging there are superchargers all over the Lower 48 on the highways and many 3rd party free chargers at hotels, restaurants, shopping,... and in 3 years there will be a lot more. So for highway/road trips there should be no concern with a 250-500 mile range EV. The only valid concern at this point for charging access in US/Canada is remote off road over landing and most of northern Canada and Alaska. However I met a guy that drove his model S up the Haul road to dead horse, AK and back. It took a while but he did it and was able to find places to charge on the most remote road in N America.

Nice to hear. I thought it was 2 years away from production and delivery? I'm going to go crazy waiting for one of these. It looks like the size of a hummer h1 in the video and bigger than a Ford F350. The wait is killing me.

I plan to figure a way to get a tesla super charger installed at my office. I have 480V power lines.

 

[Angelo1]

Regardless I’m buying another 200 or the new Raptor. Tesla’s are freaking blah ass boring. I tried to convince myself to buy an model X with ludicrous pkg. and then i test drove it. Cheap cheap everywhere. $150k no thanks, not even worth 70k on a good day

 

[coleAK]

Nice to hear. I thought it was 2 years away from production and delivery? I'm going to go crazy waiting for one of these. It looks like the size of a hummer h1 in the video and bigger than a Ford F350. The wait is killing me.

I plan to figure a way to get a tesla super charger installed at my office. I have 480V power lines.

At the release he said the mid range 2 motor will be released first in ~2 years then the 3 motor long and 1 motor standard after that. Given Tesla time I’m guessing 3 years or so for the tri motor I reserved.

 

[coleAK]

Regardless I’m buying another 200 or the new Raptor. Tesla’s are freaking blah ass boring. I tried to convince myself to buy an model X with ludicrous pkg. and then i test drove it. Cheap cheap everywhere. $150k no thanks, not even worth 70k on a good day

An SUV with a 2.6 sec 0-60 and beats a lambo Aventador SV in the 1/4 mile, boring. To each their own.

 

[RET2]

An SUV with a 2.6 sec 0-60 and beats a lambo Aventador SV in the 1/4 mile, boring. To each their own.

What does that type use do to the useful range? Just asking ya know? Has that figure been substantiated?

 

[Angelo1]

An SUV with a 2.6 sec 0-60 and beats a lambo Aventador SV in the 1/4 mile, boring. To each their own.

I would rather drive the slower lambo with an amazing exterior and interior that is art on wheels then a soulless shell. Also, I don’t street race as that’s illegal and dangerous. I have kids and over 40 that prefers comfort and quality with a little excitement. When I test drove the Model x it was just “blah”. Yes it’s very fast but besides that, it looks like an egg and xwing doors have continued issues and when it was 98f outside the ac turned hot as the cold air was redirected to protect the battery. Yeah, I’ll pass, thanks. 0-60 is highly overrated and really means nothing in the grand scheme of owning a vehicle

 

[fasteddie2015]

Ok fine, Well free to me. But really it’s pennies to the business, on 240/40 it costs Target <$1 for my wife to get 50 mile charge while she spends ~$100. Our Target, mall, and a few coffee shops and restaurants and most of the resorts in state have free hookups. Based on 0.12 kWh a 50% charge (>160 miles) on even the longest range EV would be ~$6

It’s pretty smart for the business, charge your car and spend $$$. Consumer chooses target over Walmart or this restaurant over that one. When we went to Hawaii last time “free” charging was everywhere.

I'm on board with EVs when the range can finally keep up with my driving habits. But it comes down to this with EVs: Somethings burning somewhere.

 

[RET2]

It would seem that one could agree that ICE as we know them will be replaced by a technologies that may or may not be known now. Probably the answers will result in more than one solution in this changing world. If solutions aren't sought they will never be found.

 

[slipkid13]

An SUV with a 2.6 sec 0-60 and beats a lambo Aventador SV in the 1/4 mile, boring. To each their own.

I'm confused, whenever someone brings up gas mileage the standard reply (and I agree with it) is "you don't buy a 200 for gas mileage" But a completely unverified 0-60 time for a truck that doesn't exist is somehow relevant? Do SUV buyers shop 0-60 times?

 

[hobbes]

At over 19’ long as currently designed, its going to be tough to fit in a lot of garages. Not sure how many people understand it’s size due to the styling.

I‘m surprised its going to that many years to get it out. Seems like much of power train would be adapted from what they already have. Not like they need to design a new engine and trans. Just scale it, add more batteries, and tweak the software.

Hope it works. Competition is always good for the consumer.

 

[TeCKis300]

The cybertruck is not for everyone. It's no surprise that many people dislike or can't handle change.

It would be worthwhile to reflect and look at where we are now:
- Hate technology laden cars and tracking? Pssst, look at what's in your pocket tracking your every move, communication, transaction.
- EVs pollute? Sure, but all that swilling of fossil fuel, oil, oil changes I'm sure doesn't leave much of a footprint.
- Pay for 3rd party chargers? Still a fraction compared to fueling ICE vehicles
- Fuel cell? With what network? Some communities now are foregoing even natural gas infrastructure.
- Energy consumption of a 2.6s acceleration? The land bruiser is easily low single digits fuel consumption to maybe make 3x that acceleration number. Then it eats brake pads to slow as there's no regen.

The cybertruck is not going to replace our beloved Land Bruiser. But it's a right, big step, for the industry.

 

[RET2]

If you stop to think about the future possibilities it's mind boggling. Where is AI going to take us? Meanwhile let's enjoy the present while we still have the outdoors and access to it.