Couldn't have said it better myself.
Land Cruiser Snow
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Wow....haven't seen snow like that since I lived in Kansas.
When I was a kid learning to drive, I took the family car to an icy parking lot on a Sunday afternoon.
My objective was to get a feel for braking, sliding and turning on ice and snow.
I recommend this because the experience arms you with greater "feel" for the vehicle and more realistic set of expectations.
Secondly, it alleviates the "freak out" factor which can lead to poor choices in real world situations.
My objective was to get a feel for braking, sliding and turning on ice and snow.
I recommend this because the experience arms you with greater "feel" for the vehicle and more realistic set of expectations.
Secondly, it alleviates the "freak out" factor which can lead to poor choices in real world situations.
Okay, so let me explain the ko2 with the 100 on icy pavement. It's like you don't have brakes and steering AT ALL. No matter how you turn the wheel or what you do with the brake pedal, the 100 just lives a different life, and is 100% uncontrollable. There's no such thing as releasing the brakes and steering in another direction & reapplying the brakes. It does nothing. It's just pure luck to hit a patch of snow or whatever on the side of the road that a wheel can grab onto, before hitting something else.
They’re a blast to drive in the snow. Better than the 2011 Tahoe Z71 I had prior to this.
Regularly drove KO2s on 10 miles of icy forest roads last year, hills with turns. No way I'll do it again.
It's a 6000lb sled.
If you want winter tires, get studded nokians. That's what I'm driving this year, massive upgrade. 50 miles daily commute with 10 miles of that being forest roads.
KO2s work good in the snow, but I need something that works on icy 7% grades.
It's a 6000lb sled.
If you want winter tires, get studded nokians. That's what I'm driving this year, massive upgrade. 50 miles daily commute with 10 miles of that being forest roads.
KO2s work good in the snow, but I need something that works on icy 7% grades.
ramangain
Clarksonian disciple
Fundamental difference in tire design/physics between scooping material away to try and gain traction vs. deforming/breaking a hard surface to try and gain traction. Snow vs. ice 101
Yeah, ended up with around 30” in 24hrs
I learned a long time ago that if rolling friction goes away, you need to find Neutral really fast...
and incorporate your OODA Loop process for an escape route. In many cases, when you take away the drive line idle power you will regain traction. All the while you are still looking for the best escape route. If rolling friction (RF) doesn't return you will have to accelerate to regain any of it...and look for your escape route of least resistance.I've also found that backing out of a soft landing is always better than hitting a hard and fast object requiring a tow/tiltback.
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I’ve been rally racing (mostly) bikes and lately cars in the past 10 years as a hobby (could be though that I was doing it wrong all the time), and trust me if I say that there is no control of the 100 with the ko2’s on ice
Apart from that I really love this tire as it is great in any other circumstances I could possibly throw it at.
Apart from that I really love this tire as it is great in any other circumstances I could possibly throw it at.
You sold me bro...
KO2s are not really good on ice at all, but you can sort of drive within their limits, but it's not at all fun. I don't know of any ATs that really are good on ice though. Anyone who tells you that Cooper, Goodyear, Wildpeak or whoever is good on ice is probably either a fanboy trying to justify their purchase or hasn't really tested them. For most ATs the compound is much too hard (that's how you get 35-50k miles out of them) and they are crazy short on siping. I've found that 100s make a lot of this stuff worse because of their mass too, even going one or two MPH off camber off road in snow I would just slowly slide sideways.I’ve been rally racing (mostly) bikes and lately cars in the past 10 years as a hobby (could be though that I was doing it wrong all the time), and trust me if I say that there is no control of the 100 with the ko2’s on ice
Apart from that I really love this tire as it is great in any other circumstances I could possibly throw it at.
With all the snow in NYC and VT recently I thought I'd revisit this thread. Did 120 miles of snowy highway last week and have been running around the city this week and this thing is a beast on the at3Ws. Definitely not as good as dedicated snows, especially on hard/refrozen snow or ice, but just digs in and plows through everything else.
I've posted this pic before, but come on... it's just so funny. I passed a cop who was stopped in an odd spot. I put my window down. HE asked me "I can help you?" I said "I was about to ask you the same thing." He laughed, said "Well, I'm stuck... think you can help"
I know some of you guys don't think the 100 is good on icy roads. But in Atlanta, when the three snowplows are busy, they break out the Zambonis and polish the roads. I pulled this guy up a very icy hill like he wasn't back there. He just shook his head and said "S*$&t. I should be patrolling in that thing."
I know some of you guys don't think the 100 is good on icy roads. But in Atlanta, when the three snowplows are busy, they break out the Zambonis and polish the roads. I pulled this guy up a very icy hill like he wasn't back there. He just shook his head and said "S*$&t. I should be patrolling in that thing."
Driving our LX470 on KO2's is borderline 'scary' on icy roads or roads with packed snow. Our RWD LS430 with Blizzaks handles better. The KO2's are great in fresh deep snow. But that almost never happens with the amount of traffic here.
The GX470 with Blizzak DM-V2 is fantastic in winter weather. I'm assuming the LX470 with Blizzaks would also be a great combination for the winter.
The GX470 with Blizzak DM-V2 is fantastic in winter weather. I'm assuming the LX470 with Blizzaks would also be a great combination for the winter.
Spent the long weekend up in Berkeley Springs, WV at our friend's camp... It was bright and sunny but in the high 20s...
and boy the weather began to change...with light flurries dusting the area.
It kept falling overnight...and into Monday morning to ~11" when I began the grooming process to depart for points south and east.
My Wildpeak A/Ts never slipped on the unpaved driveway (~.25 miles) up and out of the camp to the twice plowed hard-pack.
What a great machine. My buddy just shook his head in amazement.
Cheers mates,
G
and boy the weather began to change...with light flurries dusting the area.
It kept falling overnight...and into Monday morning to ~11" when I began the grooming process to depart for points south and east.
My Wildpeak A/Ts never slipped on the unpaved driveway (~.25 miles) up and out of the camp to the twice plowed hard-pack.
What a great machine. My buddy just shook his head in amazement.
Cheers mates,
G
My '99 is pretty decent on icy/packed snowy roads, but not as confident as my wife's Outback (both on plain all seasons). The outback isn't as heavy or top heavy, and minimal slipping at one axle. AWD with some partial lockup between front and rear is just better for slick surfaces, whereas the LC is better at off-road with it fully locked. Don't want to lock-up center diff on icy road as it'll just slide more. But lock-up is way better when you're in deep unplowed snow, and just trying to get traction.
The LC is way better than my previous winter car, which was a Miata with bald summer tires. RWD is way more fun and predictable, sliding can't ever scare you because you're always sliding. But then it was hung up when you hit a tiny amount of unplowed snow on a curb or driveway....
Oh, and braking in snow suuucks with the LC. I hate the ABS. It just does nothing and I've gotta try to steer toward the easiest thing to hit.
The LC is way better than my previous winter car, which was a Miata with bald summer tires. RWD is way more fun and predictable, sliding can't ever scare you because you're always sliding. But then it was hung up when you hit a tiny amount of unplowed snow on a curb or driveway....
Oh, and braking in snow suuucks with the LC. I hate the ABS. It just does nothing and I've gotta try to steer toward the easiest thing to hit.
Agreed with everything you said. The weight of these trucks is very telling in slippery conditions. I always say my LC can't always stop me from sliding into a ditch, but it will probably drive out of it on its own!
ITT:. Everyone who will be asking about rust remediation in the future.
Get lockers
Not great. ATRAC & VSC make doing doughnuts in empty parking not fun.
Get lockers
