Keep Your 200 (2 Viewers)

[ryanCA]

Keeps throwing sensor codes on the dash. Dealer is doing the usual "parts cannon" approach.

sad to hear

hope your nephew sees the light

 

[coleAK]

REAL 200 owners move to a 300. Never to a 250

But isn’t the 250 and 300 on the same platform?

 

[TeCKis300]

But isn’t the 250 and 300 on the same platform?

No. Shared architecture does not mean shared parts.

They share commonality of concepts and interface designs such that major components are compatible with the potential for mixing and matching. The actual parts are different.

They have different chassis. Different cabs. Different suspension components etc.

It's not unlike the 200-series relation to the second gen Tundra and Sequoia. Certain components are similar or even shared, but chassis, cab, suspension, etc are bespoke.

The new TNGA-F architecture is just branded but confuses media who perpetuate these misunderstandings.

 

[04UZJ100]

250 = 4 banger 4Runner. It’s a sham.

 

[MRego]

This past weekend, we decided to sell our 2024 heritage blue 250 FE and will continue enjoying our 2016 200 series. We put 9k miles on the 250, and thankfully didn’t lose our shirt on the deal. The First Edition held its value very well and we lost around 3k once all was said and done.

The 250 is by no means a bad car, but on a whole (and this goes for really any new modern car, not just Toyota) they ripped much of the soul and character out of these new cars. With the incessant driving nannies driven by insurance lobbyists (especially when a single snow flake blocks a sensor and the car constantly dings at you), cheapening of materials (the 250 looks great, but when you dig under the skin, you realize much of it is fake and built like a tin can to save weight), and overall synthetic driving experience. You really start to realize that modern day cars are not an upgrade. In fact, they’re a downgrade in many ways because they’re full of inherent compromises and half baked ideas.

The 200 series is really the last of its kind, and nothing will ever be built like these brutes in the future. I intend to hold on to the 200 LC and will likely add a newer/low mileage LX 570 to the fleet down the road.

If any of you are considering moving from a 200 series into the new generation, I would highly recommend you take a step back and do your homework on if these compromises can be tolerated. Once you’re spoiled by driving the 200, it’s hard to give it up.

Yes. Hallelujah, another one that sees the light. Now please just go ahead and post a sister thread to this in the 250 Prado Forum and let the whining begin. Nothing entertains me more than the Prado owners going on a limb to defend their purchases.

 

[Zill]

Yes. Hallelujah, another one that sees the light. Now please just go ahead and post a sister thread to this in the 250 Prado Forum and let the whining begin. Nothing entertains me more than the Prado owners going on a limb to defend their purchases.

Unfortunately, it’s very toxic over in the 250 and even the other Land Cruiser forum, as most of them have never owned a 200 to understand it. Most of the 250 buyers are coming from 4Runner owners who can now purchase a relatively cheap 4Runner disguised as a Land Cruiser.

Again, the 250 is not a bad vehicle and I don’t want to create too much negativity here, but it’s built for your average NPC consumer, and it’s not built like the full size land cruisers before it.

 

[OregonLC]

Has anyone had their hands on the new Armada (Patrol)? Aside from the IRS, this looks like a viable touring-class overlander. We'll see how much the aftermarket chooses to support it, but I could see myself in a Patrol vs. a 250.

 

[ryanCA]

Has anyone had their hands on the new Armada (Patrol)? Aside from the IRS, this looks like a viable touring-class overlander. We'll see how much the aftermarket chooses to support it, but I could see myself in a Patrol vs. a 250.

We have a member here that dumped their 200 for new Armada.. he lives in Wisconsin and his happy with his purchase

 

[eatSleepWoof]

Has anyone had their hands on the new Armada (Patrol)? Aside from the IRS, this looks like a viable touring-class overlander. We'll see how much the aftermarket chooses to support it, but I could see myself in a Patrol vs. a 250.

I've never liked Nissans, but I just flipped through a few reviews of the 2025 model and have to say I'm somewhat intrigued. The exterior still leaves much to be desired, but I think I could live with it. The specs, interior, size, tech all appear to be a rather good evolution of what I like in the 200 series: reasonably modern (but not over the top) tech, large, comfortable interior, capable performance, etc.

 

[eatSleepWoof]

We have a member here that dumped their 200 for new Armada.. he lives in Wisconsin and his happy with his purchase

Didn't he get the Infiniti variant? Tomato/tomAHto, I suppose.

 

[ryanCA]

Didn't he get the Infiniti variant? Tomato/tomAHto, I suppose.

Well if LX owners can think they are Land Cruiser owners, isn't the qx80 and armada the same thing?

 

[MRego]

We have a member here that dumped their 200 for new Armada.. he lives in Wisconsin and his happy with his purchase

I saw one yesterday at my lunch break. It was named "Autograph", I guess trying (too hard IMO) to mimic the RR Autobiography. Honestly it looked too bloated and mammoth-like. Like an overweighted sumo wrestler (if there is such a thing LOL). This is coming from a 200 owner. I do not know the specs, but I doubt the Armanda keeps the hailed and praised 112 Toyota-LC wheelbase. Looks much more like a Tundra with a canopy - oh wait, a Sequoia?

 

[ryanCA]

I saw one yesterday at my lunch break. It was named "Autograph", I guess trying (too hard IMO) to mimic the RR Autobiography. Honestly it looked too bloated and mammoth-like. Like an overweighted sumo wrestler (if there is such a thing LOL). This is coming from a 200 owner. I do not know the specs, but I doubt the Armanda keeps the hailed and praised 112 Toyota-LC wheelbase. Looks much more like a Tundra with a canopy - oh wait, a Sequoia?

121 wheelbase


We had this patrol for 3 years in SE asia long time ago.. we had that and a Pajero. It was the only 3 years of our life we were without a proper LC

 

[dudemancool1904]

TiL that certain Lexus models have built in PTC heating elements in the dash vents so they can get hot air immediately instead of waiting for the engine to warm up like us poors @ryanCA

 

[Zill]

The big problem with the new armada is the lack of a shift lever. The shift buttons don’t quite give the same feeling as that nice clunk into gear with the 200.

At least it’s better than a shift dial from some other makes.

 

[OregonLC]

The big problem with the new armada is the lack of a shift lever. The shift buttons don’t quite give the same feeling as that nice clunk into gear with the 200.

At least it’s better than a shift dial from some other makes.

Not a fan of buttons, but really grew to like the shift dial on the Ram. Once you get used to it you'll not miss the lever. The gain in console space is the win. With the paddle shifters in the LX I'd very much gladly give up the lever for better use of console space.

 

[CanadianRockyCruiser]

Keep your 20
Keep your 40
Keep your 55
Keep your 60
Keep your 70
Keep your 80
Keep your 100
Keep your 200
Keep your 300

Sell your FJ Cruiser
Sell your 4runner
Sell your Prado
Sell your 120
Sell your 250

 

[xeuxaz]

This thread definitely makes me appreciate my 200. It's easy to take for granted if you're not being thoughtful or reminded....

 

[ryanCA]

121 wheelbase

Keep your 20
Keep your 40
Keep your 55
Keep your 60
Keep your 70
Keep your 80
Keep your 100
Keep your 200
Keep your 300

Sell your FJ Cruiser
Sell your 4runner
Sell your Prado
Sell your 120
Sell your 250

whole number > half assed numbers

 

[ryanCA]

This thread definitely makes me appreciate my 200. It's easy to take for granted if you're not being thoughtful or reminded....

You don't have a permanent marker that has etched in the mirriror, like the rest of us?

"I am king of the world, I am a 200 owner."?