Just did slot/weld castor correction...

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I just did the slot/weld version of castor correction, on the front bolt of the axle mount.

Wow, man is that alot of work! Kumar (ktp_inacoma) took some great pictures when he did his, but actually getting in there and doing the work is another story...oh and starting at 10:30pm, finishing at 3:00am, that's a bit of a challenge also.

I do not have my digital camera so no pics...sorry...

I will tell you the ONE clever thing I found out, to slot the hole it's easiest to just cut down the sides with something like a sawzall starting at the hole, however the blade for a sawzall is to tall (maybe 3/4" and the hole is smaller than that), so what I did on the 3rd hole (I caught on eventually), was to cut the sawzall blade in half height-wise, so it was still the same length, but only about 3/8" tall, then it would go in the hole and cut perfectly...that made it WAY easier. Granted you still have to get that metal out of there, I used the peel/cut/rip method, which does NOT appear to be the best way. I had a air diegrinder which sucked, the bits would just grind away, it would grind a little bit of metal but hardly anything, I went through 3 bits on ONE hole, and got maybe 3/16" of metal away, so that was useless.

The holes I drilled in my new side pieces were 9/16" (14mm), since I was told the original bolts were 14mm...well as far as I can tell that is completely wrong. My bolts would not even come close to fitting into that hole, I drilled a new hole with a 5/8" bit and they were snug in there. The 14mm bolts I bought were ofcourse way to small, I was replacing the bolts so I would have plenty of threads after the weld-in side pieces. So I ended up reusing the stock bolts (for then, just bought new ones today), that had maybe 1/2 of the threads in the nut grabbing, not a great solution but when you're 40 miles from home at 3:00am, you make sacrifices.. :) I guess the factory bolts are 16mm?? I found 16mm bolts but the place only had one bolt, so I got 5/8" bolts...so I'm going to put those in tonight, atleast that is the semi-plan. I can't say for certain what sizes the bolts are, I think the ones I bought were mislabeled and were really 12mm not 14mm...not sure, I'll figure it out tonight, and edit this post then...

I already have the OME castor correction bushings, but they were not handling the suspenion well...with the mod and those bushings it drives WAY better. I honestly couldn't believe the difference driving home. Granted I was mostly asleep and not paying alot of attention, but even being asleep hitting the brakes on rutted roads did not cause immediate unexpected lane changes...quite the change!

So if anyone else is considering this, and wants some pointers, actually more what NOT to do than what to do, let me know..

While under mine, my brother discovered the lower knuckle bolts (holds the steering arm on) were loose, REALLY loose, not even finger tight, showing a 1/16"-1/8" gap inbetween that arm and the knuckle...bad, BAD...so I tightened those up, but was still very suprised to see that, I torqued them plenty when I did the knuckle work, which was about 60K miles ago, but still didn't expect it. So check your knuckle joints!! Atleast it wasn't as bad as what we found on his Rover Disco, a broken spring, his right rear spring just broke, both top and bottom are retained by design (not like our's) so the two halfs just kinda hit each other and was still holding up, coils bent slightly where they were hitting since one coil just snapped...wow, never seen that before!! They were Safari Gard coils, which I think come from OME...several years old, looked really rusted...

Later..
Mark Brodis
 
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The knuckle studs likely backed out because the studs were loosened when the knuckle was disassembled. If they are not re-secured before re-installing the nuts it does not matter how good a job you do tightening the nuts up. This is turning into a common problem.
 
Can someone post a pic if they have one, because I have heard you talking about this, but I'm not sure which frickin studs you're talking about.
 
Here you go Junk I owed you a pic
bolts.webp
 
Geeze Phil,

Could you clean that mess up a bit before you photograph it?...:flipoff2:



Reminds me that I need to buff my front axle housing.....:eek:




Oh, That aint no 80 series housing either.........;)
 
cruiserdan said:
Geeze Phil,

Could you clean that mess up a bit before you photograph it?...:flipoff2:



Reminds me that I need to buff my front axle housing.....:eek:




Oh, That aint no 80 series housing either.........;)


Sorry Dan looking at the pic I now relize there is some rust :flipoff2: :flipoff2:


Good eye 40 series...... closest to me.....its 110 here today
 
Ok...update on the bolt sizes for the front control arm. On mine, which is a '97 LX450 the bolts ARE 16mm or 5/8", I used 5/8" bolts for mine, factory ones are to short when you add in the extra thickness of the new weld-in side pieces.

Kumar swears his were 14mm bolts, so maybe it's possible that does vary, I would be surprised, but I do know mine are 16mm, measured them with a caliper.

And yes that 40 knuckle joint is WAY to clean...it's screaming for dirt!! :)
 
mabrodis said:
I had a air diegrinder which sucked, the bits would just grind away, it would grind a little bit of metal but hardly anything, I went through 3 bits on ONE hole, and got maybe 3/16" of metal away, so that was useless.
Mark Brodis

Do yourself a favor and buy some carbide tips from McMaster or any tool shop. Eats metal like butter.
 
yep, moms 97 studs(i know that sounds dirty) backed out leaving what could have been a very dangerous condition. I posted some pics a while back........but can't find them. Dealership corrected the problem on there dime, used the upgraded studs.

cruiserdan said:
The knuckle studs likely backed out because the studs were loosened when the knuckle was disassembled. If they are not re-secured before re-installing the nuts it does not matter how good a job you do tightening the nuts up. This is turning into a common problem.
 
Interesting side note here, I expected to get more front driveshaft vibes after tipping the axle back more (I have the stock front driveshaft). However, I have not (atleast not noticably more), and then I was thinking maybe I shouldn't. With no double-cardan jointed front driveshaft then the preferred way is to have the same angle on each of the two u-joints. Well I know there is a angle on the t/c u-joint, but the more I tip the axle back, the more I match that angle, so I actually might have helped the shaft.

I think a good driveshaft setup is sposeto be like this: (not having much luck with my ascii art)

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Where the output of the t/c and the front diff are parallel, tipping the axle back to much ofcourse affects this but if getting closer to the angle on the t/c side would probably help.

For those that have vehicles that wander and are hard to control, I would DEFINETLY do this mod, it's not easy (buy Christo's arms for an easy solution), but it IS worth it, I just drove 7 hours on Sunday night, Cruiser loaded with camping stuff, weaving past cars, huge improvement!!
 

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