June 24-25 2017 Casner Trail

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I didn't hear any responses to my last request for a head count to do Schnebly Hill. If there isn't anyone interested, I might go up to camp Friday night, so please let me know :)

I'll bring something to potluck, still trying to figure out what it's going to be...
 
In addition to the desert, I can also bring some chicken breast. I'm planning on heading up on Friday. Who else is also planning on heading up on that day?
 
I didn't hear any responses to my last request for a head count to do Schnebly Hill. If there isn't anyone interested, I might go up to camp Friday night, so please let me know :)

I'll bring something to potluck, still trying to figure out what it's going to be...

I plan to go on what ever run you have in mind, don't want to sit around camp all day :)

In addition to the desert, I can also bring some chicken breast. I'm planning on heading up on Friday. Who else is also planning on heading up on that day?

Thanks, we should probably be set on meat then!

Going to try to skip out of work around 3pm and make my way up there before dark on Friday.
 
Checked and got a revised email. Off road travel is the same as before. 30' off any legal road and 300' in camping corridors. The difference is the area you drive and park must be devoid of any vegetation. That is the tricky part. If that area along 231 is a camping corridors could be up to 300' off that road on 9011R. Finding a area devoid of vegetation might be a problem.

John, do you have a link to the revised maps for the Coco? I had a paper copy but can't seem to find it. With regard to vegetation, where we camped before there was very little vegetation but the turn out was on the current National Forrest map but not all the way to the edge of the rim.

As a few of us are going up tomorrow afternoon, we will evaluate the situation and if necessary we will alter our site so we are in compliance.

Are you still coming?
 
First one we got in the morning.


Flagstaff, Ariz., June 21, 2017, For Immediate Release — Due to warmer weather conditions, fire danger, an increase of abandoned campfires, and for public safety, Coconino National Forest officials will implement additional fire restrictions beginning Thursday (June 22) at 8 a.m.

Coconino National Forest has been in Stage I fire restrictions since June 15, which prohibited campfires across the forest and limited them to hosted developed campsites only. However, 34 abandoned campfires were located on the Forest over the weekend, and with the number of abandoned campfires found each day, coupled with dry lightning and warm weather, it is necessary to implement additional fire restrictions.

Stage II fire restrictions will be in effect beginning tomorrow that prohibit the following:

1. Fires, campfires, charcoal, coal, and wood stoves. (except using a device that is solely fueled by liquid petroleum or LPG fuels that can be turned on and off in areas that are barren or cleared of all overhead and surrounding flammable materials within three feet of the device).

2. Smoking (except within an enclosed vehicle or building).

3. Using an explosive.

4. Possessing, discharging, or using any type of firework by pyrotechnic device.

5. Operating a chainsaw or any other equipment powered by an internal combustion engine from the hours of 9 a.m. to 8 p.m. (except generators with an approved spark arresting device within an enclosed vehicle or building or in an area that is barren or cleared of all overhead and surrounding flammable materials within three feet of the generator).

6. Welding or operating an acetylene or other torch with open flame.

7. Operating or using any internal or external combustion engine without a spark arresting device properly installed, maintained, and in effective working order (this does not include motor vehicles. This is aimed at things such as landscaping tools).

8. Discharging firearms, air rifles, or gas guns (except while engaged in a lawful hunt pursuant to state, federal or tribal laws and regulations).

9. Possessing or using a motor vehicle off National Forest System roads (except when parking in an area devoid of vegetation within 10 feet of the roadway or when parking overnight in Forest Service developed campgrounds and trailheads).

This means that all vehicles must remain on an open Forest Road when driving. All parked vehicles must remain within 10 feet of a Forest Road AND only in an area that is devoid of vegetation. This is to keep catalytic converters and other sources of heat underneath the vehicle from igniting vegetation.

Visitors may NOT drive over areas of vegetation to place their trailers or unload their tents and camping supplies, and may NOT park directly on a designated Forest Road. Thus, finding a suitable location for pulling a trailer off the road will be challenging, particularly with the number of visitors expected during summer months. As a result, some campers may not find a spot to camp on the Coconino National Forest at this time and during the busy weekends.

An explanation of the different stages of fire restrictions and what is typically prohibited during those stages can be found online at www.tinyurl.com/firestagesexplained. The public should be aware that state-managed and state-owned lands in Coconino County, south of the Colorado River, will also go into Stage II fire restrictions at the same time.

Fire restrictions will remain in place until the forest receives significant precipitation. Violation of the restrictions on national forests is punishable by a fine of up to $5,000, imprisonment up to six months, or both.


Second revised email we got in the afternoon. On this second number 9 was highlighted in yellow because it changed. The yellow highlight didn't come across on my copy paste.


Flagstaff, Ariz., June 21, 2017, For Immediate Release — Due to warmer weather conditions, fire danger, an increase of abandoned campfires, and for public safety, Coconino National Forest officials will implement additional fire restrictions beginning Thursday (June 22) at 8 a.m.

Coconino National Forest has been in Stage I fire restrictions since June 15, which prohibited campfires across the forest and limited them to hosted developed campsites only. However, 34 abandoned campfires were located on the Forest over the weekend, and with the number of abandoned campfires found each day, coupled with dry lightning and warm weather, it is necessary to implement additional fire restrictions.

Stage II fire restrictions will be in effect beginning Thursday that prohibit the following:

1. Fires, campfires, charcoal, coal, and wood stoves. (except using a device that is solely fueled by liquid petroleum or LPG fuels that can be turned on and off in areas that are barren or cleared of all overhead and surrounding flammable materials within three feet of the device).

2. Smoking (except within an enclosed vehicle or building).

3. Using an explosive.

4. Possessing, discharging, or using any type of firework by pyrotechnic device.

5. Operating a chainsaw or any other equipment powered by an internal combustion engine from the hours of 9 a.m. to 8 p.m. (except generators with an approved spark arresting device within an enclosed vehicle or building or in an area that is barren or cleared of all overhead and surrounding flammable materials within three feet of the generator).

6. Welding or operating an acetylene or other torch with open flame.

7. Operating or using any internal or external combustion engine without a spark arresting device properly installed, maintained, and in effective working order (this does not include motor vehicles. This is aimed at things such as landscaping tools).

8. Discharging firearms, air rifles, or gas guns (except while engaged in a lawful hunt pursuant to state, federal or tribal laws and regulations).

9. Possessing or using a motor vehicle off National Forest System roads (motorized vehicles must abide by Travel Management Regulations and travel only on open Forest Roads. In “camping corridors” where vehicles are allowed to leave a Forest Road for up to 300 feet—as well as outside camping corridors where vehicles can leave the Forest Road for up to 30 feet—vehicles can still do so, BUT ONLY AS LONG AS THE PATH THEY DRIVE OVER IS DEVOID OF VEGETATION. The intent of this restriction is to keep sources of heat underneath a vehicle from contacting any vegetation that could start a wildfire. In short, don’t drive or park over any vegetation at any time).

An explanation of the different stages of fire restrictions and what is typically prohibited during those stages can be found online at www.tinyurl.com/firestagesexplained. The public should be aware that state-managed and state-owned lands in Coconino County, south of the Colorado River, will also go into Stage II fire restrictions at the same time.

Fire restrictions will remain in place until the forest receives significant precipitation. Violation of the restrictions on national forests is punishable by a fine of up to $5,000, imprisonment up to six months, or both.


I think I remember the area as having enough dried up grass that would qualify as vegetation. @Pitch might help but do not believe any of 9011R is on the travel map which would make any travel illegal unless that area along 231 is a camping corridor. Then could travel up to 300' off 231 as long as you didn't drive over any vegetation. It also says you can't park on any road but if it's not on the travel map does it still qualify as a road. I've had someone from the forest service the roads not on the travel map are still open for their use. Reason I bring this up is 2011R is probably the easiest place to park and not be on any vegetation. But it also bring up if the center section has any vegetation even thought your tires didn't touch it your drove over it with a CAT. A lot depends on the LEO. I know over in the Blue Ridge area the LEO would probably call for the patty wagon and haul everyone to jail. :meh:

Link to travel map Coconino National Forest - Maps & Publications
 
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Some shoes to fill with Ron in both the trailleading and cooking dept but we will all step up!

Sorry you couldn't make this Ron, best wishes for a quick recovery from your procedure :beer:

Thanks @murf here's hoping.
 
I plan to go on what ever run you have in mind, don't want to sit around camp all day

Sounds good Abigail, but we'll need to leave camp pretty early to get to Safeway by 9. The unreliable Apple Maps is saying 2 hour 15 minute drive.
 
Sounds good Abigail, but we'll need to leave camp pretty early to get to Safeway by 9. The unreliable Apple Maps is saying 2 hour 15 minute drive.
If I remember correctly it is 1.5 hour roughly. 1 hour on dirt 30 min pavment I left 7am in October from camp and was plenty early and a full tank of gas.

I find google maps way more accurate.
 
Sounds good Abigail, but we'll need to leave camp pretty early to get to Safeway by 9. The unreliable Apple Maps is saying 2 hour 15 minute drive.

I can hardly sleep past 6am anyway. :confused:
 
If I remember correctly it is 1.5 hour roughly. 1 hour on dirt 30 min pavment I left 7am in October from camp and was plenty early and a full tank of gas.

I find google maps way more accurate.

That sounds more like I remember it.
 
Just checking in with everyone. Here is the list I have for the trail and camping. Let me know if I missed anyone for camping. I would edit my first post, however the edit button is gone. :bang:

Casner Trail
1. @Dimples
2. John (guest)
3. @verruckt1
4. @John Morgan
5. @rctoyota
6. @Chrismanjs
7. @Nifski
8. @Captramrod01
9. @Dissent
10. @Devil Cruiser

Camping:
1. @Dimples
2. John (guest)
3. @verruckt1
4. @Abigail
5. @rctoyota
6. @Rudster
7. @Chrismanjs
8. @murf
9. @Nifski
10. @Captramrod01
11. @Saddletramp
12. @Dissent
13. @Devil Cruiser
14. @Clunky
15. @Pitch
16. @Fishbone60
17. @tls3601
18. @ftbshop
19. @John Morgan
20. @Otter

I am in for camping Saturday night but can't make the Friday push. Also if there are any last minute cancels for Casner I would like to volunteer to fill that. Haven't done it yet. If not, down with the Schnebly hill/alternate trail crew.
 
Thanks!! We probably only need one tub if it's the giant one! If you already got two, I'll bring stuff to make it into chip dip?

Updated Potluck List
@Chrismanjs Chips & salsa
@Otter Guacamole
@verruckt1 tortillas & taco shells
@LandCruiserPhil "spinach appetizer" (I think this means dip)
@Saddletramp 10lbs of carne asada
@Abigail toppings and some carne, plates, utensils
@tls3601 sour cream
@rctoyota Dutch Oven Spaghetti peppers, onions, & mushrooms to sautee
@Highway Romping a dessert

Other items that could be useful:
- more meat!

I can bring some chips and salsa too. You can never have enough of that, especially later in the night.
 
Also just me, no family this trip.
 
I have to agree with @Living in the Past. This is NOT a legal place to camp. While rarely enforced by the undermanned and outgunned USFS, now that everyone knows, an organized club run should not knowingly use this area. 9011R is clearly traveled regularly, but ignorance of the law is NOT an acceptable excuse.

Good for John for bringing this all to light. Presence of a sign and s well used road should not imply legality for passage. I would suggest finding an alternate camping area along Woody Mtn Rd instead. There are options further down the road towards East Pocket Lookout. Download and use the excellent Avenza app from the Coconino NF if in doubt. We, as a club need to be stewards of the land, esp when we are flying the club colors.
 

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