Is my starter about to fail? (1 Viewer)

[Super77]

On cold starts, once the engine is running and I release the key after the usual couple of seconds, I can hear what sounds like the starter continuing to run. This lasts 2-3 seconds and then the starter shuts off. Happens consistently when cold, 50/50 when warm.

I’m 99% sure it’s the starter I’m hearing because I can replicate the noise by not releasing the key once the engine starts. Sounds exactly the same.

My ignition switch has been a little sticky in the past, so I usually rotate the key back a little rather than just releasing it. That doesn’t seem to help any more, though.

So, troubleshooting steps? Start with ignition switch? Starter? Something else?

 

[AK RIG]

Probably time for a starter rebuild (new plunger and contacts).

 

[OSS]

The pinion gear that engages the flywheel is not releasing.
Starter should be disassembled and inspected and cleaned - or just replace the sucker.

 

[Super77]

My FSM has an entire section on troubleshooting and rebuilding your starter. While I love that it’s possible, a whole reman’d AC Delco starter is only about $100. Do people bother fixing them? Are parts even available?

Also, if I wanted to replace my sticky ignition switch, does that involve a re-key, or can I transfer the existing cylinder to the new switch?

 

[vipergrhd]

I understand not being a fan of fixing or rebuilding things when you can just buy a complete unit, please don't get anything but Denso or Toyota reman starter. The cost is not much difference if you are trying to save a buck.

My FSM has an entire section on troubleshooting and rebuilding your starter. While I love that it’s possible, a whole reman’d AC Delco starter is only about $100. Do people bother fixing them? Are parts even available?

Also, if I wanted to replace my sticky ignition switch, does that involve a re-key, or can I transfer the existing cylinder to the new switch?

 

[gbogh]

My FSM has an entire section on troubleshooting and rebuilding your starter. While I love that it’s possible, a whole reman’d AC Delco starter is only about $100. Do people bother fixing them? Are parts even available?

Also, if I wanted to replace my sticky ignition switch, does that involve a re-key, or can I transfer the existing cylinder to the new switch?

people do repair starters. brushes, the plunger/solenoid contacts, & sometimes bearings wear out. replacing those components and a few other little things will get you 80% of the way to a new starter. It's more work than a replacement, but for the price (<$50 last time I checked) & if you're comfortable taking those components apart, it's not a bad option.
There are some businesses that rebuild starters out there but they are becoming more and more rare.

A competent locksmith should be able to rekey a replacement ignition lock cylinder. I think @ToyotaMatt does that kind of thing or could get you some parts at least.

Rockauto and parts geek seem to have reman AC Delco starters for $80.

HTH

 

[Godwin]

My FSM has an entire section on troubleshooting and rebuilding your starter. While I love that it’s possible, a whole reman’d AC Delco starter is only about $100. Do people bother fixing them? Are parts even available?

Also, if I wanted to replace my sticky ignition switch, does that involve a re-key, or can I transfer the existing cylinder to the new switch?

Ignition switch is separate from the key cylinder, no need to re-key. Easy to pull the key cylinder, then you have access to the ignition switch.

 

[Super77]

Ignition switch is separate from the key cylinder, no need to re-key. Easy to pull the key cylinder, then you have access to the ignition switch.

Yep, figured that out this morning. Pulled the key cylinder out of the ignition switch and then pulled the core out of the key cylinder. The core was really dirty and gritty - probably causing some rotational resistance in the cylinder. Got it nice and smoothly turning after some cleaning and re-greasing. Hopefully that solves it. If not, ignition switch itself or starter.

Did some quick math: 34 years old x 2 starts a day on average = ~25,000 revolutions of the core in the key cylinder. Imagine rotating anything that many times. When the vehicle is this old you actually start running into physical material limits.

 

[Super77]

I understand not being a fan of fixing or rebuilding things when you can just buy a complete unit, please don't get anything but Denso or Toyota reman starter. The cost is not much difference if you are trying to save a buck.

I always look for Denso or Aisin parts first, but neither appears to make a 62 starter, based on what I see in their catalogs.

 

[vipergrhd]

I found this on Toyota website. @Super77

Starter for 1989 Toyota Land Cruiser | Toyota Parts Center

parts.olathetoyota.com

 

[Super77]

I found this on Toyota website. @Super77

Starter for 1989 Toyota Land Cruiser | Toyota Parts Center

parts.olathetoyota.com

Thanks! One of my usual sources shows it’s NLA, so that’s a nice surprise

 

[vipergrhd]

I forgot to mention that it is the same part numbers on later model FJ60, I replaced mine sometime last year with a reman unit from Mr. Toyoda.

 

[Cruiser Cult]

A bad ignition switch sounds like it could be the culprit. We had a similar issue with our fj40 last year. If you determine that you need a starter, we were able to source a remanufactured starter Part No: 28100-60070-84 from ToyotaPartsDeal.com

 

[ToyotaMatt]

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